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LouderVol said:
Those darwinian animals took exactly what they could. And there is plenty of evidence of animals taking more than they need to suit their needs. Cats play with their food, and even what they dont end up eating. Both killer whales and various porpoises kill for sport. We've even seen what impact invasive species can have on an environment, fundamentally changing it.

Assuming humans are somehow unique is a false belief.

And the start of Darwins study was with those birds. Depending on the weather one type of nut would be more prevalent, and th birds that ate those would flourish
Until either the population outgrew the supply, or the supply diminished. Thats capitalism. You profit when you can, but if you arent smart and diversify you get hurt and the system fixes itself.

Socialism is what we did in state and national parks removing wolves. It upset the balance, even though we removed the "bad guys" it had a negative impact as the rest of the animals were no longer held in check and the animals started to out eat their surroundings. Reintroducing the wolves allowed the enviroment to fix itself.

The point is that there is both, highs and lows. Nothing is high all the time, that's just fake and it causes issues. If you let the overall system work it creates balance in the long run at the price of temporary pain. Be we as society have gotten so comfortable the idea of even the slightest set back becomes the "worst thing ever". Even though it may end up being healthy.
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The examples you cite are two of about 9 million species. Even the ones who hoard food like squirrels feed others like ground hogs or mice. Spiders webs are scavenged by birds. Those killer whales that kill for sport feed something else. But I'm afraid you lost me at "assuming humans are somehow unique is false". While most animals have some similarities the human mind is totally unmatched at least on earth. We can foresee and plan for the future which includes the acquiring and hoarding of wealth on an unprecedented scale or if we choose we can share it. I agree that some animals do that on a limited basis but it is out of instinct not intellect.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I told my wife these ELECTED people will keep you inside and ruin everything before they will risk one person dying and their precious elections because they opened it up too soon. Our county of 400k people is shut down because 12 people are in the hospital. This is madness.
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yabbut, it could have been 24!
 
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Ex-NYT reporter Berenson warns of 'big pivot' from officials to Justify Lockdown Strategy


Former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson -- who has quickly become of one of the key figures in a growing movement questioning the strategy to lock down large sections of the country in response to the coronavirus crisis -- is warning of a “big pivot” in rhetoric from politicians and health officials pushing the strategy.

“Yep, the public health folks, after a month of promising that within two weeks we'd be near collapse, are now making the big pivot to the ‘second wave,’” Berenson tweeted, referring to a new talking point he argues will be used to justify continued restrictions.

He tweeted in response to an Atlantic article -- "Our Pandemic Summer" -- that cited experts who agreed that "life as most people knew it cannot fully return."

"I think people haven’t understood that this isn’t about the next couple of weeks,” one infectious-disease epidemiologist told the outlet. “This is about the next two years.”

The initial sell to Americans about the initial response to the virus was that it would “flatten the curve” -- referring to graphs that showed a predicted aggressive hard spike in infections, hospitalizations and deaths that would devastate the country and overwhelm the health care system.

But Berenson is skeptical there has even been a first wave, and has been a strong critic of the models that had their initial predictions significantly downgraded. He has also pointed to evidence that, outside of hot spots like New York, hospitals are not overburdened.

“It is worth remembering in the United States outside of New York City, and possibly New Orleans and Detroit, there has BEEN NO FIRST WAVE. There have barely even been ripples. That's why the hospitals are empty," he tweeted.


Other critics of the lockdown strategy have also questioned the focus on the second wave.
"What do we do when there’s a second wave? And history says there will likely be a second wave," radio host Jesse Kelly, who has focused on the economic devastation the response is causing, tweeted. If the go to response is go hide under your bed, that’s gonna be a problem when this thing pops back up again. We set ourselves on a dangerous road. I hope I’m wrong."
 
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Trump unveils ‘Opening Up America’ plan, aims for May 1

WASHINGTON — President Trump is pushing to get Americans back to normal life from coronavirus lockdowns within weeks under new reopening guidelines shared with governors on Thursday, The Post has learned.

The “Opening Up American Again” guidelines, a copy of which was obtained by The Post, say states which show a downward trend of COVID-19 cases will be able to re-open their restaurants, bars, theaters, workplaces, sporting centers and gyms as soon as May 1.

Trump told governors on a conference call “you’re gonna call your shots,” saying the guidelines were a recommendation.

“Bottom line, if you’re ready and you have those beautiful, low numbers like some of you have, let’s get going, let’s open up your state,” Trump told state leaders in a largely friendly call where he praised governors for their hard work.

Under the guidelines, states will need to demonstrate a downward trajectory of COVID-19 cases over a 14-day period and a “robust” system for testing healthcare workers before they can proceed to a phased opening.

Phase 1 recommends continued social distancing, closure of schools, teleworking and sheltering in place for vulnerable individuals.
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https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/trump-unveils-opening-up-america-plan-aims-for-may-1/
 
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newyorkvol said:
“Cuomo said additional time is needed to prevent a resurgence of the coronavirus.”

And there’s the new narrative.

However, on the other side of the coin, if we are indeed looking at a bell shaped curve, it took NY about 4 weeks to peak, so it would make sense it takes 4 additional weeks to return to baseline.
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Man, this stuff has been incubating here for months. It's slow spreading. you know it came from China like back in the fall. months before they publicly stated there was an issue. And those videos of the bug sprayers disinfecting the streets were probably just as old, but definitely staged.

Can't trust them. The restaurants even have dead cat skeletons out back. You know what you're eating, and eat it anyway.
 
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