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0nelilreb said:
You keep missing the point , there are Hospitals currently using this drug to successfully treat patients that are actually coming off of vents and going home . The only difference in administration a studied drug that you can look up the side effects on and this one is the ability of the Drs to acknowledge the effects before prescribing it . Hit to the vitals vs death . Simple choice for me , how about you if you are faced with the choice of taking it or not ? 👈🏼
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"there are Hospitals currently using this drug to successfully treat patients that are actually coming off of vents and going home"

ORLY?

Maybe it's the lovenox shot they're getting every day, maybe it's that the peep was dialed in just right. Maybe they don't have a severe comorbidity? What if them "coming off the vent and going home" was one of a thousand other variables?

Your error is the assumption that correlation equates to causation. How many people have come off the vent have recovered without the drug and with no risk of organ damage that it has been shown to cause?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
We all gotta make sacrifices for mother earth! I'm using less gas on my weekend bonfires. I'm doing my part.
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I think you are doing more than your share since gas is so cheap and you could take advantage of that to go joy ridding . I can’t wait for the climate studies to come out after the global shut down telling us nothing changed and we need cut back on our emissions and eat less meat even more .
 
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Septic said:
"there are Hospitals currently using this drug to successfully treat patients that are actually coming off of vents and going home"

ORLY?

Maybe it's the lovenox shot they're getting every day, maybe it's that the peep was dialed in just right. Maybe they don't have a severe comorbidity? What if them "coming off the vent and going home" was one of a thousand other variables?

Your error is the assumption that correlation equates to causation. How many people have come off the vent have recovered without the drug and with no risk of organ damage that it has been shown to cause?
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We don’t know they choose to study the VA instead . Odd wouldn’t you say ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
I know how but they chose to do the study at the VA instead of at the hospitals using it . 🤔
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It wasn't a study per se, it was an analysis of what occured. The VA was clear that no definitive conclusion should be drawn and that the report was not a scientific study.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Correct but you know through logic that you would study the hospitals using the drug to cover all data and that a VA is the wrong place to study that drug unless you are looking for specific results .
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I believe the argument is sine we can't definitely prove the drug doesn't prevent death since it could be a multitude of other factors it's use should be scrapped.

Side benefit would be the elimination of the constant bitching about it.
 
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Septic said:
It wasn't a study, it was an analysis of what occured. The VA was clear that no definitive conclusion should be drawn and that the report was not a scientific study.
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Then it’s even more ridiculous to try and use that to denounce the drug like we’ve seen done on here, instead of actually studying the facilities that are using it and have data , wouldn’t you agree ?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
We all gotta make sacrifices for mother earth! I'm using less gas on my weekend bonfires. I'm doing my part.
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Septic said:
If you want to dig into the analysis of what the VA found, be my guest:

Covid-19: VA Study Points to Increased Mortality with Hydroxychloroquine | Physician's Weekly
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Most of the studies have found HCQ to be quite effective. The VA study dealt with very ill patients. Once someone is on a ventilator I don't think HCQ is the drug of choice. I think Remdesivir is a more appropriate drug for those critical patients. The idea with HCQ is to give it early and keep patients from the ICU. Does it work? Even Trump said that he didn't know. But what he wanted was for it to be available to patients if their doctors prescribed it for them. That's all. What's the problem?
 
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Sea Ray said:
Most of the studies have found HCQ to be quite effective. The VA study dealt with very ill patients. Once someone is on a ventilator I don't think HCQ is the drug of choice. I think Remdesivir is a more appropriate drug for those critical patients. The idea with HCQ is to give it early and keep patients from the ICU. Does it work? Even Trump said that he didn't know. But what he wanted was for it to be available to patients if their doctors prescribed it for them. That's all. What's the problem?
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Being on a ventilator seems to be the beginning of the end for China Flu victims. NYC said that only 12% get put on ventilators but over 80% of them die.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Most of the studies have found HCQ to be quite effective. The VA study dealt with very ill patients. Once someone is on a ventilator I don't think HCQ is the drug of choice. I think Remdesivir is a more appropriate drug for those critical patients. The idea with HCQ is to give it early and keep patients from the ICU. Does it work? Even Trump said that he didn't know. But what he wanted was for it to be available to patients if their doctors prescribed it for them. That's all. What's the problem?
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It Trump hadn’t mentioned it , we probably would be talking about how lucky we are to find something that worked even a little . Because of Trump , the TDS flared up and made people irrational.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You can have crickets on all of them except that last one , we better not go silent too long on that one or the rest won’t matter .
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Oh yeah. The media is never concerned about the right things. They have no foresight whatsoever.

When our food supply breaking down, do you not think the same things aren't going on in other countries? What the happens to the food supply of the 3rd world? What happens then? Mass starvation. Millions die. Worldwide political destabilization. World war. Billions die.
 
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evillawyer said:
The anecdotal fear peddling strikes again

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Fixed your comment. Data is not on your side here. The game is up. No reason somebody under 40 who is healthy shouldn't be out getting on with their life right now.

At this point you posting twitter stuff like this just looks like stupid, ill-informed trolling.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Most of the studies have found HCQ to be quite effective. The VA study dealt with very ill patients. Once someone is on a ventilator I don't think HCQ is the drug of choice. I think Remdesivir is a more appropriate drug for those critical patients. The idea with HCQ is to give it early and keep patients from the ICU. Does it work? Even Trump said that he didn't know. But what he wanted was for it to be available to patients if their doctors prescribed it for them. That's all. What's the problem?
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A) Cite your source.
B) I've answerd that.
 
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