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Weezer said:
You're taking it beyond the point I was making, and I don't really care for a long discussion right now. My only point is having been President is not a legitimate qualifier. If you say to me, "well, he was the President", I don't give a rat's ass. It doesn't strengthen the argument IMO. That's all I'm saying. Base your argument off something stronger than that from the start.
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I'll bite.

What in Bush's statement is wrong?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't know what thread to post this in, but do any of you all get tired? I mean, most times I'm cool with arguing a point. But is seems like we just go around each other based on our political leanings. In every thread. Over. And over. And over again.
I have to take breaks from the forum. Just seems pointless at times. Seems like the actual discussion was much better a few years ago. Now it is just partisan crap. I don't know, just complaining I guess. I'll be back tomorrow.
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It's largely the same arguments/debates I had on my first "forum" back in the early 2000s. Religion, abortion, foreign policy, economy, ect is all the same. The current events are different but they lead to the same conclusions.
 
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NCFisher said:
Amash is a childlike fool, and that coming from a guy who used to like him and thought he had national potential.

He is completely uninterested that FBI, DOJ, and CIA leadership constructed a false narrative and evidence chain to prevent the election of Trump, and then to remove him from office. Russia isn't the problem, the danger, these people are. Yet Amash states Barr lied and Trump should be impeached.

Amash is Romney lite, an empty suit of piety so far above the partisan fray, he can't distinguish important issue from feckless indulgence. At least he got that weed bill in and is keeping his NORML approval rating...yay!
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I dont think the way he voted means he didnt care. He was just saying even without the lies there was enough to push forward.

Weed is a Constituinal concern. The government doesnt have the right to restrict its use and punish citizens for it. This is one of those cases of the Republicans not actually being conservatives. In this case the Rs want to tell people how to run their lives, Amash stuck to his constitutional guns and sided with freedom. The Rs dont like it because he is the example of what they used to be and believe in until the party took over.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'll bite.

What in Bush's statement is wrong?
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You have missed my point entirely. I haven't even read Bush's statement. If it has merit, it has merit, but that merit doesn't come from "well, he was the President". It doesn't garner extra weight because it came from a past President. It stands on its own.

Is it really that hard to understand the point I'm making?
 
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lawgator1 said:
First, Bush was not making a statement of fact, he was simply urging everyone to put partisanship aside and work to overcome the virus. Hardly a controversial thing to say.
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And you totally gloss over Trump's response. If it is all about doing away with partisanship, where the hell was GWB back during impeachment?

That is all Trump was highlighting.
 
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evillawyer said:
Just spitballing here, but maybe people shouldn't get in close contact without masks while toting their weekend rambo toys and shout at their governors that it's all a hoax.

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Lol two week incubation period there chief. It ain't been that long since people occupied the michigan Capitol.
 
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Weezer said:
You have missed my point entirely. I haven't even read Bush's statement. If it has merit, it has merit, but that merit doesn't come from "well, he was the President". It doesn't garner extra weight because it came from a past President. It stands on its own.

Is it really that hard to understand the point I'm making?
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Ok, we just disagree. I think in times of crisis, advice from those that have been there should be considered by the new person. And there is, independent of that, value in doing so for the sake of continuity.

That is especially so in the case of a nationwide and worldwide crisis. GWB dealt with 9/11 and all of the politics of that and saw first hand how partisanship can inhibit an effective response, in both directions. I think it benefits the office and respect for the office to accept the advice graciously, even if you don't agree.

But I don't know that anyone has ever said, or ever will, that Trump takes advice graciously and especially if he thinks that buried within it is the notion that his actions so far have perhaps not been up to snuff.

Rasputin_Vol said:
And you totally gloss over Trump's response. If it is all about doing away with partisanship, where the hell was GWB back during impeachment?

That is all Trump was highlighting.
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That's a partisan political issue and I think Trump is free to complain that people within the Republican party should have uniformly stood behind him. Obviously, not everyone was okay with what he did. See e.g. Romney. Trump certainly has the right to complain about that, though of course I admire those GOPers who stood up to him, then and at other times, over those who cowered in the corner.

I just don't think that it was the right time to bash him when all he did was offer advice and encouragement to Trump and to everyone else to put partisanship aside for the time being.
 
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evillawyer said:
SIAP

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So convenient that it popped up as states were reopening

The new strain appeared in February in Europe, migrated quickly to the East Coast of the United States and has been the dominant strain across the world since mid-March, the scientists wrote.
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"New"
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok, we just disagree. I think in times of crisis, advice from those that have been there should be considered by the new person. And there is, independent of that, value in doing so for the sake of continuity.

That is especially so in the case of a nationwide and worldwide crisis. GWB dealt with 9/11 and all of the politics of that and saw first hand how partisanship can inhibit an effective response, in both directions. I think it benefits the office and respect for the office to accept the advice graciously, even if you don't agree.

But I don't know that anyone has ever said, or ever will, that Trump takes advice graciously and especially if he thinks that buried within it is the notion that his actions so far have perhaps not been up to snuff.




That's a partisan political issue and I think Trump is free to complain that people within the Republican party should have uniformly stood behind him. Obviously, not everyone was okay with what he did. See e.g. Romney. Trump certainly has the right to complain about that, though of course I admire those GOPers who stood up to him, then and at other times, over those who cowered in the corner.

I just don't think that it was the right time to bash him when all he did was offer advice and encouragement to Trump and to everyone else to put partisanship aside for the time being.
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If that's your opinion, remember that when Trump is offering up advice to future occupants of the Oval Office.
 
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Weezer said:
If that's your opinion, remember that when Trump is offering up advice to future occupants of the Oval Office.
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Sure, and hopefully the future occupant that gets that advice will be gracious in receiving it, even if they disagree with it.
 
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Weezer said:
You have missed my point entirely. I haven't even read Bush's statement. If it has merit, it has merit, but that merit doesn't come from "well, he was the President". It doesn't garner extra weight because it came from a past President. It stands on its own.

Is it really that hard to understand the point I'm making?
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Here's is the Bush statement that set off Trump. I cannot see how Donnie could possibly be offended by it.
"In this type of testing we need to remember a few things. First, let us remember we have faced times of testing before. Following 9-11 I saw a great nation rise as one to honor the brave, to grieve with the grieving and to embrace unavoidable new duties, and I have no doubt, none at all, that this spirit of service and sacrifice is alive and well in America. Second, let us remember that empathy and simple kindness are essential powerful tools of national recovery. Even at an appropriate social distance, we can find ways to be present in the lives of others, to ease their anxiety and share their burdens. Third, let’s remember that the suffering we experience as a nation does not fall evenly. In the days to come it will be especially important to care in practical ways for the elderly, the ill and the unemployed. Finally, let us remember how small our differences are in the face of this shared threat. In the final analysis, we are not partisan combatants, we are human beings, equally vulnerable and equally wonderful in the sight of God. We rise or fall together and we are determined to rise. God bless you all."
 
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