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#52,576
hog88 said:
We are free or we are not. We are adults who can make our own decisions with the the information or we are not. If we are not free and not adults capable of making decisions we have no business voting.
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Uh-huh. Free to get sick and infect other people, too.
 
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#52,584
Septic said:
What a strange connection you've made, sexual gratification? Science shows that a fetus doesn't "feel" pain until the third trimester, few states allow for that.

I abhor abortion, but that has little to do with me pointing out the appeal to emotion argument from you and the other people (e.g. @Ten_Titans ) who may feel the same way.
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You were attempting to be offensive.
 
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NCFisher said:
This is genuinely, deliciously funny.

You set out to show that Amash isn't ignoring the FBI, DOJ, et al abuse of Trump and staff. Congratulations! - no idea how long it took you to find an obscure tweet he wasn't even the author of, but well done!

Here's where it's gets funny:
(Amash) "...The evidence shows that FISA itself is the problem, not that it was improperly used in only one circumstance, i.e., to go after Trump & Co. The liberty of all Americans is threatened by the surveillance state."

Now, focus for just a moment: that's your proof Amash isn't ignoring the very abuse I describe. Which you now term "Pizzagate level conspiracy theories".

IOW, you proved Amash is engaging in "Pizzagate level conspiracy theories", and agreeing "Trump and Co." were wronged by those very agencies.

Now, aren't you the clever little fellow!
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You’re not aware of the administrative memo sent by Michael Horowitz to Christopher Wray on March 31?

The one Amash was tweeting about... in the tweet that I linked?

The idea that fisa was used to target Trump as part of coup, forest fire, whatever you want to call it, is “pizzagate.” That the FBI is too sloppy and irresponsible to be trusted with the responsibilities afforded them by FISA is analogous to “pedophiles exist.”

Law enforcement abuses its discretion day in and day out all across the country. The FBI is no different. Trump and his associates got treated the way any suspected criminal would be treated anywhere in America. The narrative that he was treated differently because he’s a political outsider is pure drivel concocted by dishonest pushers to keep weak-minded, angry populists from thinking about the validity basis for suspicions that he did in fact commit a crime.

Amash’s legislation addressed systemic problems while continuing to allow the intelligence agencies to pursue valid national security interests. Trump and the Republican Party chose to go the route of sacrificing our privacy at the altar of national security by not only continuing the FBI to have what, in practice, amounts to free reign, but actually expanding that discretion. In short, your “establishment outsider” took the establishment route.

Try to keep up. Or just keep doing everything you can to not acknowledge that whatever you think Amash failed to do, Trump was actively working against. It’s amusing.
 
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#52,589
vols40 said:
Then why did we shut down. Once it was obvious that we weren't going to overwhelm hospitals it should have been opened back up. Testing could have still taken place. You think employers who shut down would have objected to at work testing? The media 💩 their pants one month after telling us we shouldn't worry about this virus.
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The idea that this is US media driven isn't fair. I have no idea what the full media view was on this virus. I went back to find some articles from January, and they were all largely just citing the CDC saying be more concerned about flu at this point - which was exactly what some guys here have posted that the CDC was saying during this period in defense of Trump. The world has largely responded to this in a similar fashion.

As for why not open back up - we didn't have antibody testing or enough data to be confident on death rate back even in early April. And, I also think that we made a mistake. I think that we treated Maryville like Atlanta, if you will. But - that might have been calculated. There might have been a belief if you didn't shut everyone down that no one would go along with it. I don't know.

We might still see areas overwhelmed by this virus. I don't know the answer.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I was responding to this quote. It appeared that you were suggesting a targeted approach was unfeasible or impractical.
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I'm saying my concern is that it will be less effective than we want to pretend it will be when we say "just isolate the at-risk." I don't want us to delude ourselves and recognize that we might be incapable of doing that - we need to step into it knowing what it likely means.
 
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TennTradition said:
The idea that this is US media driven isn't fair. I have no idea what the full media view was on this virus. I went back to find some articles from January, and they were all largely just citing the CDC saying be more concerned about flu at this point - which was exactly what some guys here have posted that the CDC was saying during this period in defense of Trump. The world has largely responded to this in a similar fashion.

As for why not open back up - we didn't have antibody testing or enough data to be confident on death rate back even in early April. And, I also think that we made a mistake. I think that we treated Maryville like Atlanta, if you will. But - that might have been calculated. There might have been a belief if you didn't shut everyone down that no one would go along with it. I don't know.

We might still see areas overwhelmed by this virus. I don't know the answer.
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Staying at home does not build immunities. Period end of discussion
 
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#52,592
TennTradition said:
I'm saying my concern is that it will be less effective than we want to pretend it will be when we say "just isolate the at-risk." I don't want us to delude ourselves and recognize that we might be incapable of doing that - we need to step into it knowing what it likely means.
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Like knowing what we are stepping into before we shut down the country?
 
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#52,593
Rasputin_Vol said:
If we did do that back then, how did that keep it from spreading by foreigner coming in the country? Did we shutdown all ports of entry back then?
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All US cases of SARS involved cases where people came in from abroad (not necessarily "foreigners", but some might have been - don't know).

The outbreak in China was considerably smaller than SARS-CoV-2 and China was fundamentally less integrated with the global economy / travel 20 years ago. So containing these outbreaks today requires much more aggressive action, isolation, containment, contact tracing, etc. Also, there are likely just fundamental differences in transmission probability.
 
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vols40 said:
Staying at home does not build immunities. Period end of discussion
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You haven't heard me say it does. Volinbham and I had that conversation last week or so - we aren't changing the integral (unless we are avoiding deaths that would have resulted from overwhelming hospital systems - and we have likely done that in certain cities).
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I asked him because he said sars-2 wasn't going to just vanish which is exactly what sars-1 did.
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But it will vanish, viruses wash over and do their worst. They mutate and try again. We've already seen 2 defined strains. Holding healthy people in check is not amplifying the aquisition of immunity, it's delaying it.
 
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TennTradition said:
You haven't heard me say it does. Volinbham and I had that conversation last week or so - we aren't changing the integral (unless we are avoiding deaths that would have resulted from overwhelming hospital systems - and we have likely done that in certain cities).
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Then we can agree let's open this MFer back up
 
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#52,597
TennTradition said:
I'm saying my concern is that it will be less effective than we want to pretend it will be when we say "just isolate the at-risk." I don't want us to delude ourselves and recognize that we might be incapable of doing that - we need to step into it knowing what it likely means.
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Wait, with regards to SAR-COV-1, you said:

TennTradition said:
Well, we isolated cases and avoided community spread - so the discussion of a shelter in place wouldn't be necessary.
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