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That you have a choice, employees and owners of businesses shut down by gov overreach don't have that choice. Let everyone decide what is best for themselves.

That’s my point. Idiots who, for whatever reason, can’t sit still, aren’t choosing for themselves. They’re choosing for myself, my coworkers, my other patients and my family. Seems like too many mommies and daddies didn’t teach the valuable lesson that your actions not only affect yourself, but others around you. That’s why I say the sense of community in America is dead, individualism reigns. This bears out in almost every facet of American life in 2020, this is just another symptom.
 
You’re right boss, I don’t have to do anything, I choose to. What’s your point?

Have any amount of sympathy whatsoever for those who don't have the choice. It's not just that people don't have enough money this month or next, some are being ruined.

I'm very fortunate that both wife and myself are working from home. I, at least, recognize how lucky I am. My high school aged daughter works at a grocery store so I'm still at risk of getting the virus. I could make her quit but she doesn't want to and I don't want her to. Does that make me some kind of hero? Nope.

My parents are very much at risk. I haven't seen them since early March.
 
On March 31, 2020, Michael Horowitz wrote an administrative memorandum to Christopher Wray informing him that OIG had reviewed 29 FISA applications. 5 of them were missing Woods files altogether. That’s sloppy. The remaining cases had an average of about 20 errors apiece. Errors being used here to refer to representations that were not consistent with the Woods file.

That’s not just damning evidence against the “Deep state” “coup” nonsense, it’s case closed. Unless all 29 of those individuals was an associate of some “establishment outsider” campaign, the DC police just came out and said the building doesn’t even have a basement.

Errors, like the ones in the Page application, occurred in every single case. IIRC, the Page app was even below average in terms of number of errors. The government made up their minds that there was a crime and assumed that the facts would support them in the end. It’s what law enforcement does every day in every US jurisdiction.

Setting aside all your attempts at straw men, it’s impossible to support a president who expands that authority and still retain the credibility to bitch about any person for not caring enough or doing enough to stop specific instances. Attempts to do so, particularly when the subject is a lawmaker who has attempted to end systemic abuses, just show that the source of the bitching places no value on their own integrity or values the privacy of their politician more than their own privacy.

Either way, their commentary is of no value. Which is why I stopped reading your post after like 3 sentences.

Again, I'm already familiar with the report and memo, thanks, and rightly assumed that TDSers would try to write off the industrial-grade abuse directed at the Trump campaign. It goes beyond sloppiness:

"My own view is that the evidence shows that we're not dealing with just the mistakes or sloppiness," Barr told host Laura Ingraham. "There was something far more troubling here. We're going to get to the bottom of it. And if people broke the law and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted."
Trump "has every right to be frustrated" by the investigation, Barr added.
"What happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in American history -- without any basis," Barr said. "They started this investigation of his campaign. And even more concerning, actually, is what happened after the campaign. A whole pattern of events while he was president ... to sabotage the presidency ... or at least have the effect of sabotaging the presidency."
During Thursday's show Barr also addressed what he described as abuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), saying he believed "safeguards" would "enable us to go forward with this important tool."
" I think it's very sad and the people who abused FISA have a lot to answer for," he said, "because this was an important tool to protect the American people.
"They abused it. They undercut public confidence in FISA but also the FBI is an institution and we have to rebuild that."

Barr isn't winging this, it's what Durham's investigations are telling him.

Just in: Michael Flynn says "Thanks for nothing, Justin"
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It's childlike to just be against something, even FISA, when you are unable to position an argument that it should or should not exist, in part or totality.

It isn't a Republican thing, or a Trump thing, especially among military and national security personnel and not babbling leftist politicians and media. Your disqualifier is ludicrous; if you're erroneously or purposely convicted of rape unjustly, should you be told "you deserve it for supporting laws against rape, ya' d*ck!" - ? Of course not.

Either you've the discretion and objectivity to recognize that "Trump & Co" were greatly wronged and a system of abuse to produce a result occurred, and that protecting their rights are protecting your own, or you don't.

If you don't, I hope you're falsely convicted of rape. I'll be glad to speak on your behalf, because I value our rights more than my personal feelings about you.
But I will say "told you so".
 
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That’s my point. Idiots who, for whatever reason, can’t sit still, aren’t choosing for themselves. They’re choosing for myself, my coworkers, my other patients and my family. Seems like too many mommies and daddies didn’t teach the valuable lesson that your actions not only affect yourself, but others around you. That’s why I say the sense of community in America is dead, individualism reigns. This bears out in almost every facet of American life in 2020, this is just another symptom.

You mean idiots that have to work to put a roof over their kids heads, food in their bellies and keep their life's work running? Those idiots?
 
On March 31, 2020, Michael Horowitz wrote an administrative memorandum to Christopher Wray informing him that OIG had reviewed 29 FISA applications. 5 of them were missing Woods files altogether. That’s sloppy. The remaining cases had an average of about 20 errors apiece. Errors being used here to refer to representations that were not consistent with the Woods file.

That’s not just damning evidence against the “Deep state” “coup” nonsense, it’s case closed. Unless all 29 of those individuals was an associate of some “establishment outsider” campaign, the DC police just came out and said the building doesn’t even have a basement.

Errors, like the ones in the Page application, occurred in every single case. IIRC, the Page app was even below average in terms of number of errors. The government made up their minds that there was a crime and assumed that the facts would support them in the end. It’s what law enforcement does every day in every US jurisdiction.

Setting aside all your attempts at straw men, it’s impossible to support a president who expands that authority and still retain the credibility to bitch about any person for not caring enough or doing enough to stop specific instances. Attempts to do so, particularly when the subject is a lawmaker who has attempted to end systemic abuses, just show that the source of the bitching places no value on their own integrity or values the privacy of their politician more than their own privacy.

Either way, their commentary is of no value. Which is why I stopped reading your post after like 3 sentences.

Sucks being wrong doesn't it. Nice Avi btw. Kudos for facing the music
 
That’s my point. Idiots who, for whatever reason, can’t sit still, aren’t choosing for themselves. They’re choosing for myself, my coworkers, my other patients and my family. Seems like too many mommies and daddies didn’t teach the valuable lesson that your actions not only affect yourself, but others around you. That’s why I say the sense of community in America is dead, individualism reigns. This bears out in almost every facet of American life in 2020, this is just another symptom.

No, you are making your own choice to work because, i assume, you have to provide for yourself and family. You can't make that choice if your business is forced to shutdown. If the risks of working your job outweigh the compensation you recieve for performing it, then by all means quit and move to a different career field. Same thing goes for parks etc, they should be open for whoever feels the benefits of going outweigh the risks. If you want to lock yourself inside your house and hide from the world, you're free to do so. Sounds like too many mommies and daddies didn't teach the valuable lesson of personal responsibility and that you have to deal with the consequences of the choices you make. You chose to work in a hospital, you're going be around sick people, deal with it.
 
33.5 million Americans have filed for unemployment benefits in the last 7 weeks. Assuming that 165 million people are in the U.S. labor force, that is 20%. That is staggering. What would we do without a genius like Trump calling the shots?
 
33.5 million Americans have filed for unemployment benefits in the last 7 weeks. Assuming that 165 million people are in the U.S. labor force, that is 20%. That is staggering. What would we do without a genius like Trump calling the shots?

He should force the governors and our trading partners to re-open at gun point.
Happy?
 
33.5 million Americans have filed for unemployment benefits in the last 7 weeks. Assuming that 165 million people are in the U.S. labor force, that is 20%. That is staggering. What would we do without a genius like Trump calling the shots?

Well it sucks but on a positive note , he got you back to work . Right ?
 
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33.5 million Americans have filed for unemployment benefits in the last 7 weeks. Assuming that 165 million people are in the U.S. labor force, that is 20%. That is staggering. What would we do without a genius like Trump calling the shots?
Yes. A chinese virus that he reacted to because of the failed models is his fault.
 
Have any amount of sympathy whatsoever for those who don't have the choice. It's not just that people don't have enough money this month or next, some are being ruined.

I'm very fortunate that both wife and myself are working from home. I, at least, recognize how lucky I am. My high school aged daughter works at a grocery store so I'm still at risk of getting the virus. I could make her quit but she doesn't want to and I don't want her to. Does that make me some kind of hero? Nope.

My parents are very much at risk. I haven't seen them since early March.

I have sympathy until they choose to be stupid because of some kind of weak, childish impulse/tantrum. We’ve fallen a long way in mentality, fortitude, and sense of community since the greatest generation.
 
That’s my point. Idiots who, for whatever reason, can’t sit still, aren’t choosing for themselves. They’re choosing for myself, my coworkers, my other patients and my family. Seems like too many mommies and daddies didn’t teach the valuable lesson that your actions not only affect yourself, but others around you. That’s why I say the sense of community in America is dead, individualism reigns. This bears out in almost every facet of American life in 2020, this is just another symptom.
so you are in the .2% > 30%, everyone's rights restricted,"greater good" group. gotcha.
 
I have sympathy until they choose to be stupid because of some kind of weak, childish impulse/tantrum. We’ve fallen a long way in mentality, fortitude, and sense of community since the greatest generation.
weak childish impulse to take care of themselves and their families?

Me thinks they aren't the greedy ones in this situation. they know the risks and are facing them to be able to take care of others. but you consider their choices "greedy" because they aren't essential.

only essential people get to take care of their familys. only essential people get to go out in public. only essential people have rights.
 

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