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LouderVol said:
I guess I am confused as to how you dont see his 20 tweets as his reasoning for voting to impeach Trump. You are complaining about how he takes the time to tweet about the impeachment, but then you also cant understand how he backs the "flunky Barr and impeach guilty Trump". He explains it in the tweets.

Him railing against FISA in general would include the specifics of Trumos cases wouldnt it?

I guess I am getting the distinction you are trying to make here.

I asked before and havent seen a response why would Amash comment on the particulars of Page and Flynn? Is he supposed to come out on every abuse of power? He commented on Trump because he is a voting member of the impeachment. I dont think he has that role in either of the Page or Flynn cases. If I am wrong please show me.

I dont consider it questionable for Amash to treat different cases, with different levels of his personal involvement, differently.
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No, he wasn't tweeting about the impeachment (Ukraine related). I refer to his 20-tweet tirade May 2019 stating why Trump should be impeached, following the Mueller probe. Nor does he "back Barr"; but he's the one characterizing Barr as purely a Trump flunky lying on his behalf and unconcerned with being a lawful AG. Pure horseshite.

If the investigation had no basis outside of looking at Russian meddling, and the results tell us that is the case, then how can Trump have committed obstruction of justice when there was no crime for which justice was due? What Trump, Page, Flynn, Pappa, etc were guilty of, is objecting to being hung as Russian conspirators.

Further, we know the FISAs were not legally predicated from two IG reports and two FISA judges damning the FBI's tactics.
Further, there were red flags throughout C. Hurricane and Mueller's probe. As Barr stated, CH's basis collapsed in Jan 2017, it should have been over. Which means there should have been no Mueller investigation concerned with Trump campaign and conspiracy.

Why would Amash comment on the wrong done Flynn, Page, Papp, and (God forbid) Trump himself?

Maybe he shouldn't. He can continue to labor in obscurity with his theoretical abuses of the surveillance state, and simply ignore the most dazzling public display of it while it's happening.

No need to "Holy shite, folks!! - if this can be done to presidential cabinet members and staff, good Americans who've protected this country in the armed services and beyond, and a candidate and sitting president! - if they can do this to them, they have no restraints"

If I'm that guy, lathered up over the surveillance state, I'm taking that opportunity. Or I can protect my popularity and future political aspirations by not taking the opportunity, and seen as taking the side of Trump. Though I should. Nope, i might just blab about theoretical abuse in late night chamber sessions that almost no one will see or hear.

But at minimum, I should shut my face and not undercut the Barr/Durham team actually trying to do something about it. Since I can't admit - or worse, can't understand - that I was wrong to begin with.
 
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BennesseeVols said:
This bs is getting ridiculous, we have to open up and get back to work. Hospitals aren't being overwhelmed, health care workers are being laid off due to lack or work. The longer these gov mandated shutdowns last, the more businesses that will never reopen. If you're at risk or in close contact with someone that is, take a little personal responsibility and protect yourself. I'm so sick of all this holier than thou bs "do your part, stay home, you could infect someone" clamoring for big daddy gub'ment to shove his tyranny further down their throats. Open up, make your own decisions, stop putting the onus on others to protect you.
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The hospital shortage isn't with beds or with equipment, it's with nurses, PA's and docs. The left side of the aisle is screeching this on every TV channel you watch....Stay home or you will die. This is simply the latest attempt to kill the country so that they can put something in the white house.
 
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NCFisher said:
Aware of it? Yes, I referred to it by mentioning two IG investigations; "try to keep up".

I'm also aware of the damning early December report, which Amash appears mute on. I'm aware the Mar 2019 finding of the Report Bearing Mueller's Name that NO American conspired with Russia, give pause to say "waitaminnit...then how did this possibly spiral into the vast SC probe we witnessed. What was even the basis of C. Hurricane?" People like you and Amash didn't even blink, but yapped about impeachment.

I'm aware you dislike the word 'coup' as much as I dislike the weaponization of federal agencies to affect elections or unseat the elected president. And using an abusive, scorched earth fishing junket to destroy acquaintances, political appointees, or family to do so.

Too bad. And "sloppy" doesn't explain it. The tweet Amash glommed onto is a perfect example; it refers to Carter Page - the same example I challenged you with.

Page has not only been a CIA asset since his military service, but also assisted FBI in the investigation of Russian agents. FBI was told by CIA on at least two occasions to back off Page, that he's an asset. FBI legal falsifies FISA app and state he's not an agency asset. FBI uses a Yahoo report to corroborate the Steele dossier, knowing Steele to be the Yahoo source. On the - guffaw! - strength of the "Verified" dossier, that isn't verified at all. From the guy Ohr warned was compromised by bias, was desperate to prevent Trump's election, and who'd been fired by FBI for leaking to media and lying about it. But then covertly used him anyway. Knowing it to be opposition funded dirt. And kept all this and more from the FISA court.

For his service and being a damn good American, Page is painted as a shadowy, Russia agent, a devious coordinating point between Putin and Trump campaign. His business and reputation are destroyed, he's physically threatened, and is made a pariah.
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IG Horowitz:
“We found that the FBI did not have information corroborating the specific allegations against Carter Page in Steele’s reporting when it relied upon his reports in the first FISA application or subsequent renewal applications,”​
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“In an email from the liaison to the OGC Attorney, the liaison provided written guidance, including that it was the liaison’s recollection that Page had a relationship with the other agency, and directed the OGC Attorney to review the information that the other agency had provided to the FBI in August 2016. As noted above, that August 2016 information stated that Page did, in fact, have a prior relationship with that other agency. However, the OGC Attorney altered the liaison’s email by inserting the words ‘not a source’ into it, thus making it appear that the liaison had said that Page was “not a source”; the OGC Attorney then sent the altered email to SSA 2. Relying upon this altered email, SSA 2 signed the third renewal application (that again failed to disclose Page’s past relationship with the other agency).”​

I assume you're familiar with FISA judges' Collyer and Boasberg's condemnation of FBI's malfeasance and illegality - ?
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I consider an illegitimate and/or illegal attempt to remove a president, a coup attempt.

I don't care what the motivations of Comey/McCabe/Strzok (fired in disgrace), Brennan (he's a traitor...oh, wait - guess I had bad information), and Rod Wired-up Rosenstein were. They were either willing dupes of Russian propaganda funded by Trump's political opponent, or used the propaganda to support their own political or ideological bias against Trump, or both.

At some point, they were convinced or attempting to convince that Trump conspired with Russia. At that point, they sought to find evidence to prevent his election, then removal upon election. If they'd gone where the evidence took them, C.Hurricane would have ended in Jan 2017 and should have never ventured beyond the basis of RUSSIAN agents meddling. There'd have been no Mueller. As Horowitz stated, there were no plausible explanations for the numerous abuses, and potential bias cannot be excluded.

It's far beyond sloppy when FBI directors are removed for leaking, lying, and referred to DoJ for consideration to criminally prosecution. When fooking CIA directors mumble about "bad information". When AG's conspire about wiring up for a 25A removal. When Barr/Durham are telling us that crimes have been committed, but we have to see if they left enough evidence behind to prosecute.

What's sloppy is your logic. Again; it is not a question of Amash's legislative opposition to FISA, or Republicans lack of opposition, or even that Obama handed Trump a vastly larger surveillance state. The question was and is why Amash has made a public show of reasons to impeach Trump on three separate occasions, but none to defend him or anyone associated with him as ACTUAL, glaringly public examples to bully pulpit his case upon.

Shall I find you a show pony gif, or you want to stick with the sloth?
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On March 31, 2020, Michael Horowitz wrote an administrative memorandum to Christopher Wray informing him that OIG had reviewed 29 FISA applications. 5 of them were missing Woods files altogether. That’s sloppy. The remaining cases had an average of about 20 errors apiece. Errors being used here to refer to representations that were not consistent with the Woods file.

That’s not just damning evidence against the “Deep state” “coup” nonsense, it’s case closed. Unless all 29 of those individuals was an associate of some “establishment outsider” campaign, the DC police just came out and said the building doesn’t even have a basement.

Errors, like the ones in the Page application, occurred in every single case. IIRC, the Page app was even below average in terms of number of errors. The government made up their minds that there was a crime and assumed that the facts would support them in the end. It’s what law enforcement does every day in every US jurisdiction.

Setting aside all your attempts at straw men, it’s impossible to support a president who expands that authority and still retain the credibility to bitch about any person for not caring enough or doing enough to stop specific instances. Attempts to do so, particularly when the subject is a lawmaker who has attempted to end systemic abuses, just show that the source of the bitching places no value on their own integrity or values the privacy of their politician more than their own privacy.

Either way, their commentary is of no value. Which is why I stopped reading your post after like 3 sentences.
 
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