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[volfanhill]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

 

[Matt2496]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

Excellent article

 

[McDad]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

great article

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

He mentioned South Korea so I went and looked them up. 262 deaths. What did they do differently besides not moving sick to nursing homes or listing inflated deaths? What medication did they use?

 

[RavinDave]

Well for starters you don't have the benefit of comparing what happened to some hypothetical ideal plan. Trump's response and the subsequent outbreak were comparable and superior in many ways to the Western European response.

Second, it's weak because the media and the left were opposed to the travel ban when it happened. Now you want to say they were a month late? Please...

As far as testing, the CDC **** the bed on testing very early on. Not because Trump told them not to work on testing, but because they are incompetent. Ultimately that falls on Trump, but that isn't a problem with policy or response.

Now we are doing more testing than anyone in the world. And that's not good enough, if Trump wasn't such an idiot, we could just do 100 million tests a day and the virus would cower at the sight of all that testing. Silliness.

Finally, even with the benefit of hindsight the media can't even get it right. We are told in March Trump's biggest mistake is not getting ventilators. Two months later, everyone who needed a ventilator got one, and after realizing they are mostly ineffective against the virus, we are now the world leader in ventilators sitting in a warehouse collecting dust.

The CDC fumbled the kickoff on testing and gave the virus an easy opening touchdown.

Once the public-private partnership was kicked into gear our country got its act together and more and better testing is coming online week by week.

What I see missing in the criticism of those who say we should have been better prepared on the testing front, is the fact that only after a new virus emerges can the development of tests for it begin. Certainly other countries - particularly China - had a head start in that regard. And putting all our eggs in the CDC basket did cost precious time.

But if "you" (rhetorically speaking) had been the occupant of the Oval Office, and "your" CDC is telling you, "Mr. President, we've got this" - are you going to give them the ball on first down or not?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

He mentioned South Korea so I went and looked them up. 262 deaths. What did they do differently besides not moving sick to nursing homes or listing inflated deaths? What medication did they use?

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they tested and traced nearly every single case

 

[volfanhill]

He mentioned South Korea so I went and looked them up. 262 deaths. What did they do differently besides not moving sick to nursing homes or listing inflated deaths? What medication did they use?

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If I recall correctly they were considered to be the gold standard with regard to contact tracing.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

If I recall correctly they were considered to be the gold standard with regard to contact tracing.

Do you think they had more of a warning than us? Do you remember reading what they treated patients with? I don't recall.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

New York Congresswoman Demands Investigation Into Cuomo’s Nursing Home Coronavirus Policy

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

The pooch was screwed every which way but right.

 

[volfanhill]

Do you think they had more of a warning than us? Do you remember reading what they treated patients with? I don't recall.

I would agree on the warning part. I don’t know what they used to treat people.

 

[Orangeburst]

If I recall correctly they were considered to be the gold standard with regard to contact tracing.

I aint buying contact tracing. What is the definition of a "contact"? If I go to a store and walk around, is everyone in the store at the time a contact?

 

[volfanhill]

I aint buying contact tracing. What is the definition of a "contact"? If I go to a store and walk around, is everyone in the store at the time a contact?

I believe it’s more intimate then that. Family, friends, coworkers

 

[DC_Vol]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

One of the best contributions to this thread. Thank you, sir.

 

[Orangeburst]

I believe it’s more intimate then that. Family, friends, coworkers

If that is the case, would they not already know?

What are they going to do? Notify the contacts that had contact with these contacts that had contact with these contacts, and on and on.

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

If that is the case, would they not already know?

What are they going to do? Notify the contacts that had contact with these contacts that had contact with these contacts, and on and on.

That’s how it works. Haven’t you seen the movie contagion?

 

[volfanhill]

If that is the case, would they not already know?

What are they going to do? Notify the contacts that had contact with these contacts that had contact with these contacts, and on and on.

Here’s how they did it. A lot of privacy concerns I would have about it. But, in terms of getting this under control, seems like this with rapid testing beat this bastard quick.

South Korea's Widespread Testing And Contact Tracing Lead To First Day With No New Cases

 

[Orangeburst]

Here’s how they did it. A lot of privacy concerns I would have about it. But, in terms of getting this under control, seems like this with rapid testing beat this bastard quick.

South Korea's Widespread Testing And Contact Tracing Lead To First Day With No New Cases

Just seems off to me. Somerthing is missing. GPS phone accuracy is not accurate to 6'. Reading up it is actually 16 feet, which would be a contact for many in a store.

Social interactions of one person would cumulatively be hundreds of thousands or millions if every person only had 2 interactions per day.

Edit: Corrected GPS info

 

[DC_Vol]

Here’s how they did it. A lot of privacy concerns I would have about it. But, in terms of getting this under control, seems like this with rapid testing beat this bastard quick.

South Korea's Widespread Testing And Contact Tracing Lead To First Day With No New Cases

I wouldn’t trade fewer deaths for this kind of government power.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

 

[volfanhill]

I wouldn’t trade fewer deaths for this kind of government power.

Agreed.

 

[RavinDave]

If I recall correctly they were considered to be the gold standard with regard to contact tracing.

Didn't they also make use of mobility data from cell phones to notify persons when they were in close proximity to someone known to be infected?

 

[volfanhill]

I wouldn’t trade fewer deaths for this kind of government power.

I think the right approach would be what the doctor laid out in the article earlier. Shut it down for elderly and nursing homes. The rest of us go about our day.

 

[DC_Vol]

I found this in the COVID thread in the pub. Very interesting read. I encourage everyone to do so.

‘We could open up again and forget the whole thing’

I wanted to share a few gems from this piece:

spiked: Should we worry about a second spike?

Wittkowski: This is an invention to justify a policy that politicians are afraid of reversing.

....

The only reason that this nonsense now goes on and on, and people are inventing things like this ‘second wave’, which is going to force us to change society and never live again, is that the politicians are afraid of admitting an error.

spiked: Should people practice social distancing?
Wittkowski: No.

We have seen, then, in Wuhan and South Korea, if you do not do anything, the epidemic is over in three weeks.

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Very early on, we knew from China and we knew from South Korea that this is an epidemic that runs its course, and there was nothing special about it. But when it hit Italy, we stopped thinking about it as an age-stratified problem, and instead lumped everyone all together. The idea that if we did not shut down the schools the hospitals would have been overwhelmed does not make any sense. I frankly still cannot fully understand how our governments can be so stupid.

spiked: Governments say they are following the science. Is that really true?

Wittkowski: They have the scientists on their side that depend on government funding. One scientist in Germany just got $500million from the government, because he always says what the government wants to hear.

Scientists are in a very strange situation. They now depend on government funding, which is a trend that has developed over the past 40 years. Before that, when you were a professor at a university, you had your salary and you had your freedom. Now, the university gives you a desk and access to the library. And then you have to ask for government money and write grant applications. If you are known to criticise the government, what does that do to your chance of getting funded? It creates a huge conflict of interest. The people who are speaking out in Germany and Switzerland are all independent of government money because they are retired.

 

[McDad]

I wanted to share a few gems from this piece:

I like this Wittkowski fellow.