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So 1.3% of the people that are tested positive for the virus die. What about the other people that don't die or the other millions that have not been tested that had the virus?

What about them? I was simply pointing out it wasn't .1% as @LouderVol noted.
 
The trump administration is touting masks, even if trumps ego is too fragile to be seen doing so. The irony of trying to make the case that masks are worthless by citing the opinion of a organization that most of your ilk wouldn't trust to change a bandaid is almost too much to bear. It's almost like you believe that your argument suspends the common sense of putting a barrier between my sneeze and your face, it's such a breathtakingly bad position.

Again, who are these people demanding you comply with their orders to wear a mask? Private business owners?

I'm not trying to make "any case". I'm merely pointing out that opinions are all over the board here and I used the WHO as an example.

As to your last point, apparently shoppers in that store that forced the shopper w/o a mask to leave
 
So cant the point be made that having this material get on your mask and then you essentially have a 20 minute to 2 hour corona meal is worse than just walking thru it with no mask on?
This is my understanding.

I wonder if it impacts how much of a "load" you breathe out. In my mind I see if you are sick with no mask, you are going to breathe and cough out at some rate proportional to the level of your infection. But if this stuff can live in the mask, I would think the amount of virus that escapes as you breathe out would also rise at the same rate as what you are breathing in from the infected mask. Basically the increased infection spread should (?) Work both ways.

The only thing I see impacted positively is how far your breath gets. And that's a maybe.
 
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I'm not trying to make "any case". I'm merely pointing out that opinions are all over the board here and I used the WHO as an example.

As to your last point, apparently shoppers in that store that forced the shopper w/o a mask to leave

As has been stated many times - if you don't like a private businesses decision, don't shop or transact business there.
 
What about them? I was simply pointing out it wasn't .1% as @LouderVol noted.
I don't think anyone really knows what the death rate is. Until 100% of the population is tested it's just a percentage of people that had symptoms and were tested. Everytime I look at the stats of the tested versus positive ratio it's about a 1000-1 ratio of negative to positive ratio.
 
I don't think anyone really knows what the death rate is. Until 100% of the population is tested it's just a percentage of people that had symptoms and were tested. Everytime I look at the stats of the tested versus positive ratio it's about a 1000-1 ratio of negative to positive ratio.
Statistics don't require 100%
 
I see a lot of people touching their mask obsessively because it is ill-fitting. If the wearer had Covid already, I suppose they couldn't double infect themselves, but would the potential of getting droplets on their hands in this situation be problematic as they go through a store? Or is that mode of transmission unlikely?
Of course that is problematic. There have also been studies demonstrating a large concentration of germs on the wet/outer surface of masks. Common sense would tell you that transmission is certainly possible by that mechanism, especially in places where others are touching their faces/eating/etc (gyms, restaurants, ...)
 
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This is my understanding.

I wonder if it impacts how much of a "load" you breathe out. In my mind I see if you are sick with no mask, you are going to breathe and cough out at some rate proportional to the level of your infection. But if this stuff can live in the mask, I would think the amount of virus that escapes as you breathe out would also rise at the same rate as what you are breathing in from the infected mask. Basically the increased infection spread should (?) Work both ways.

The only thing I see impacted positively is how far your breath gets. And that's a maybe.

Pretty sure that six feet rule is based on the distance you can hack.


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Face coverings can reduce COVID-19 transmission risk: study

Two main takeaways from this:

1)Wearing a face mask or other covering over the mouth and nose reduces the forward distance traveled by an exhaled breath by more than 90 percent, research suggests.

2)Surgical masks and the tested hand-made masks were found to limit the forward flow of expelled breath, but also generate far-reaching leakage jets to the side, behind, above and below. Heavy breathing and coughing, in particular, were shown to generate intense backward jets.

So my understanding of this is with the flimsy masks like the ones we see being worn out and about, you may save the person in front of you from getting the virus (assuming you are an asymptomatic carrier), but you may also be putting the person behind you and to the sides more at risk.
 
The 2018-19 flu deaths were at about .1%, so far the mortality rate for covid is 1.3%. Are you confusing the two?

U.S. COVID-19 death rate is 1.3%, study finds
I am firmly in the camp that this thing is spread far more than we think.

From your link. The new study's findings are based on 40,835 confirmed COVID-19 cases and 1,620 confirmed deaths in 116 counties across 33 states through April 20. Death rates varied widely across locales, with some counties recording a death rate of just 0.5% while others went as high as 3.6%.

And that's with still not enough testing back in April. At least that was the constant complaint at the time, I believe that argument has been dropped as testing increases dropping the death rate.

Still, even if it ends up where I am off by a factor of 6, I am fine taking those odds and will fight to maintain my rights. That's why they are rights. To ensure we have them even during times of crisis of danger.
 
Pretty sure that six feet rule is based on the distance you can hack.


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Are these timed up? Seems like the emissions are off. And that does seem to support the idea of creating more risk for yourself, as there is more blue at the guys face with the mask.
 

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