Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[Velo Vol]

I don't know if you can keep it out but you might be able to: 1) take steps to reduce spread once in (social distance, cleaning, etc) and 2) test more frequently to isolate those who contract it and minimize spread

Test how often? It goes without saying that in that environment a worker could infect several residents in just one day.

 

[Orangeburst]

If it’s out of the local sewer then yes. Assuming the predictor is accurate,
one could test his dueces and potentially start treatment 1-2 weeks in advance. if there were an at home poop test.

It’s the most interesting thing I’ve seen on this in weeks. Thanks for sharing.

Can I send my poop to LG to be tested?

 

[TennTradition]

I thought viral load meant intital intake. Maybe I am mistaken.

Either way, is there a potentially different scenario versus inhaling 5(however you measure it) versus inhaling 500. Does that create vastly different potential outcomes?

I think that is more commonly thought of as dose vs. load, with viral load reflecting the concentration of virus a person is carrying around.

But, to address your question - yes it does matter.

First, there is a minimum dose required for infection. This varies virus by virus. Infection of a cell and viral replication are not 100% probability events. So as you take on more and more viral particles, the probability of a few cells becoming infected and beginning viral replication increases. So, the size of that initial dose matters in whether or not you get infected.

Also, there is a decent chance that it can impact outcomes. When you are first infected, the body relies on its natural immune response (not targeted, specific immune response) to combat the infection. It can slow it down by killing some cells but typically isn't good enough to totally stop replication. It is there to keep things in check until you can develop specific, targeted antibodies. If the initial dose is very high, then two things can happen. One - the viral replication is accelerated because it begins with many more cellular infections. And two, the natural immune response comes on like a flood because it is responding to a rapid step change in foreign bodies. This can cause immune regulation issues that could cause inflammation and other issues associated with adverse viral consequences.

 

[allvol123]

I think that is more commonly thought of as dose vs. load, with viral load reflecting the concentration of virus a person is carrying around.

But, to address your question - yes it does matter.

First, there is a minimum dose required for infection. This varies virus by virus. Infection of a cell and viral replication are not 100% probability events. So as you take on more and more viral particles, the probability of a few cells becoming infected and beginning viral replication increases. So, the size of that initial dose matters in whether or not you get infected.

Also, there is a decent chance that it can impact outcomes. When you are first infected, the body relies on its natural immune response (not targeted, specific immune response) to combat the infection. It can slow it down by killing some cells but typically isn't good enough to totally stop replication. It is there to keep things in check until you can develop specific, targeted antibodies. If the initial dose is very high, then two things can happen. One - the viral replication is accelerated because it begins with many more cellular infections. And two, the natural immune response comes on like a flood because it is responding to a rapid step change in foreign bodies. This can cause immune regulation issues that could cause inflammation and other issues associated with adverse viral consequences.

So cant the point be made that having this material get on your mask and then you essentially have a 20 minute to 2 hour corona meal is worse than just walking thru it with no mask on?

 

[DC_Vol]

Can I send my poop to LG to be tested?

Yeah but first you got to find his contact info on that Florida bus stop bench

 

[TennTradition]

So cant the point be made that having this material get on your mask and then you essentially have a 20 minute to 2 hour corona meal is worse than just walking thru it with no mask on?

You would need to come up with the scenario for how a high viral load makes its way to the surface of the mask, but yes it certainly seems like a possible infection route. I'm sure this was much of the concern around folks touching their masks. However, if surface spread is beginning to be deemed less of a concern, it is possible that public health leaders aren't as concerned about a sufficient viral load being on an object, then transferring to hands, then transferring to mask, and making its way from the outside of the mask to the respiratory track. Speculation/conjecture, though. I don't know their reasoning.

Perhaps the benefit of it stopping someone from sneezing on their hand and opening a door outweighs the negative risks of someone touching that door handle and transferring it to the mask surface by adjusting it.

 

[DC_Vol]

Cracks me up to watch otherwise intelligent people lose bowel and bladder control in order to foist such a moronic position that masks don't help prevent the spread of germs.

I haven’t **** my pants yet or anything like that, but I’m one of those who doesn’t think it makes much of an impact.

If it did, I would ask why we haven’t been donning the mask each flu season. We could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the last 10 years or so.

There must be some magic cutoff of lives lost where it makes one a jackass to not wear the mask.

 

[Ten_Titans]

So wait, you trumpers have the W.H.O. recommendations back on the menu as a reputable source? And one from two months ago?

You have a point on citing the WHO. But we've known for years about the lack of efficacy for masks on transmitting and obtaining the flu.

Now, supposedly this mask research is so cutting edge we can't look at anything over a month ago, lol. Sure bud.

I'm willing to concede not wanting to wear a mask is a petty and insignificant thing to argue about, if you are willing to concede that trying to force everyone to wear a mask is just as petty and insignificant. That cartoon for instance is just pure virtue signaling. We are talking about the minutia of annoyances vs the minutia of added risk. There are more important things to talk about.

 

[volfanhill]

I haven’t **** my pants yet or anything like that, but I’m one of those who doesn’t think it makes much of an impact.

If it did, I would ask why we haven’t been donning the mask each flu season. We could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives over the last 10 years or so.

There must be some magic cutoff of lives lost where it makes one a jackass to not wear the mask.

 

[volfanhill]

Georgia coronavirus: Steady but slow cases continue a month after reopening - CNN

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't know the studies she is citing...but Dr. Birx on the subject:



Dr. Deborah Birx: ‘Make sure that you’re wearing a mask if you can’t maintain the six feet’

You're making my point and that is that opinions are varied. But the WHO still says there is not enough evidence to support wearing a mask.

Across Europe, face masks and coverings are becoming commonplace as COVID-19 restrictions ease but health authorities continue to urge caution.

The advice from the World Health Organization (WHO) has remained consistent in recent weeks, recommending masks primarily for medical personnel.

But they say "currently there is not enough evidence for or against the use of masks (medical or other) for healthy individuals in the wider community".

Coronavirus and facemasks: What is the latest health advice?

This issue is not settled science

 

[Sea Ray]

So wait, you trumpers have the W.H.O. recommendations back on the menu as a reputable source? And one from two months ago?

Spare me your indignation, it requires low levels of common sense to acknowledge that a physical barrier is better than no physical barrier. Clearly, something that escapes you...

Cracks me up to watch otherwise intelligent people lose bowel and bladder control in order to foist such a moronic position that masks don't help prevent the spread of germs.

Take it up with the WHO. The reason I posted the article from 2 mos ago is because their stance has not changed. If you don't believe me, go to the article I posted a couple minutes ago. It is 5 days old

I'll tell you what, why don't you just save us all the time and aggravation and do this: tell us what the current stance is of the WHO on the public wearing masks and include links.

 

[volinbham]

Test how often? It goes without saying that in that environment a worker could infect several residents in just one day.

with use of PPE the risk is decreased, with better attention to hand washing the risk is decreased, with social distancing rules the risk is decreased.

test maybe 2x week.

I didn't say you could keep it out but you can slow the spread once in. They are taking precautions now that they were not taking in Feb/March.

 

[Septic]

You have a point on citing the WHO. But we've known for years about the lack of efficacy for masks on transmitting and obtaining the flu.

Now, supposedly this mask research is so cutting edge we can't look at anything over a month ago, lol. Sure bud.

I'm willing to concede not wanting to wear a mask is a petty and insignificant thing to argue about, if you are willing to concede that trying to force everyone to wear a mask is just as petty and insignificant. That cartoon for instance is just pure virtue signaling. We are talking about the minutia of annoyances vs the minutia of added risk. There are more important things to talk about.

Who is doing that? Has there been a government mandate that says you must? Or is the butthurt over private businesses telling you that if you want to do business there, that you must comply. The cartoon is meant to be satire, although I'm slightly more amused at the reaction than I was of the actual cartoon.

 

[allvol123]

You would need to come up with the scenario for how a high viral load makes its way to the surface of the mask, but yes it certainly seems like a possible infection route. I'm sure this was much of the concern around folks touching their masks. However, if surface spread is beginning to be deemed less of a concern, it is possible that public health leaders aren't as concerned about a sufficient viral load being on an object, then transferring to hands, then transferring to mask, and making its way from the outside of the mask to the respiratory track. Speculation/conjecture, though. I don't know their reasoning.

Perhaps the benefit of it stopping someone from sneezing on their hand and opening a door outweighs the negative risks of someone touching that door handle and transferring it to the mask surface by adjusting it.

This is the scenario I envision.

You walk thru a corona cloud. Masked and unmasked. Unmasked, you pick up what you inhale. Not sure what happens to the particles that you dont inhale but do hit your cheeks, top of nose, etc.

Versus, walking thru same cloud masked. You inhale some, perhaps same amount as unmasked. Then some parts land on your mask in the non inhalable paths. But at some point you are readjusting the mask. So then you inhale that batch that has been sitting on the fabric.

 

[508mikey]

Washington State Counting Gunshot Victims Among Its Coronavirus Deaths I bet Chicago is too

 

[tennvols77]

Furious Shoppers Boot Out Woman Buying Groceries Without A Face Mask

"All New Yorkers must wear a face covering when they need to be outside their home "


Hey FU NY.........and to the social warriors out there be careful who you start mouthing off to.

 

[Septic]

Take it up with the WHO. The reason I posted the article from 2 mos ago is because their stance has not changed. If you don't believe me, go to the article I posted a couple minutes ago. It is 5 days old

I'll tell you what, why don't you just save us all the time and aggravation and do this: tell us what the current stance is of the WHO on the public wearing masks and include links.

Birx says to wear a mask, she works for trump. Is the Trump administration wrong or are you? Good to know that you still support the W.H.O., they'll be excited to hear it given how most trumpers are falling all over themselves to sht on the china loving WHO. The Q whackos would tell you that the WHO not recommending masks is part of the conspiracy.

Don't conflate the WHO's advice that a mask will not protect you from Covid and the recommendations that wearing a mask will help prevent the spread of your germs from carpet bombing the Kroger deli counter.

Common sense.

 

[Sea Ray]

Birx says to wear a mask, she works for trump. Is the Trump administration wrong or are you? Good to know that you still support the W.H.O., they'll be excited to hear it given how most trumpers are falling all over themselves to sht on the china loving WHO. The Q whackos would tell you that the WHO not recommending masks is part of the conspiracy.

Don't conflate the WHO's advice that a mask will not protect you from Covid and the recommendations that wearing a mask will help prevent the spread of your germs from carpet bombing the Kroger deli counter.

Common sense.

I'm not here to support anyone. I'm not picking sides. My point which you keep missing is that scientists are not on agreement on this. This is an issue they're still sorting out. Therefore folks ought not get high and mighty demanding folks wear masks

 

[Purple Tiger]

Can I send my poop to LG to be tested?

Mail it directly to Trump at the White House.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Washington State Counting Gunshot Victims Among Its Coronavirus Deaths I bet Chicago is too

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[Rifleman]

Putin ain't playing.

 

[Rifleman]

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Putin ain't playing.

Spiffy, nothing we don't have in Memphis, though.

 

[VolStrom]

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Putin ain't playing.

At least the sniper knows which one to shoot.