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utvolpj said:
I'm honestly not sure many are seeing it. They want to separate the ideas yet that's just not possible when thinking about it rationally
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It feels like we are in a loop of various versions of this duel now. Neither side recognizes when they are hypocritical, or on the wrong sides of issues.

Even when they take up the exact same positions as their opponent, they believe they have a good reason to do it which overrides their prior objections.

A single iota of evidence in their favor, no matter how thin, allows them to ignore everything they don't want to see. It has truly been amazing to watch 2020 devolve into 1984.
 
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Mick said:
I wouldn't say I condemned your lowes trip. It was more think of your family and do what you can to protect yourself and them. Did you not social distance or wear a mask?
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No I really didn't take any more precautions than I did 6mos ago. I may recognize others personal space more but my life doesn't change

My family is young and healthy which are 2 groups almost unaffected by this thing. Of course much higher risk groups filled the streets yet their outings are deemed legitimate by those who attempted to destroy the economy via lockdown. Why can you not call out blatent hypocrisy when you see it? Is a political stance that important to you?
 
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utvolpj said:
No I really didn't take any more precautions than I did 6mos ago. I may recognize others personal space more but my life doesn't change

My family is young and healthy which are 2 groups almost unaffected by this thing. Of course much higher risk groups filled the streets yet their outings are deemed legitimate by those who attempted to destroy the economy via lockdown. Why can you not call out blatent hypocrisy when you see it? Is a political stance that important to you?
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I'm not the one trying to compare the two. I'm not the one calling everyone hypocrites. I'm not the one trying to conflate the political issues with the potential to spread the virus. I believe that is you and the people that would call it a hoax.
 
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Mick said:
I'm not the one trying to compare the two. I'm not the one calling everyone hypocrites. I'm not the one trying to conflate the political issues with the potential to spread the virus. I believe that is you and the people that would call it a hoax.
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You should compare the 2 since the different groups are being treated much differently. A haircut threatened the world's health but these mass gatherings are ok. Their potential for spread is infinitely greater yet i haven't seen the same fervor from you as we did a couple of weeks ago. Just find it interesting

It's either a hoax or the protesters are domestic terrorists with a bioweapon.
 
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utvolpj said:
You should compare the 2 since the different groups are being treated much differently. A haircut threatened the world's health but these mass gatherings are ok. Their potential for spread is infinitely greater yet i haven't seen the same fervor from you as we did a couple of weeks ago. Just find it interesting

It's either a hoax or the protesters are domestic terrorists with a bioweapon.
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Why should you demand anyone condemn anything you consider a hoax? That is what I find interesting.
 
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Mick said:
Why should you demand anyone condemn anything you consider a hoax? That is what I find interesting.
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Because you did for one act. I believe you claimed we were putting your mother's life at risk by getting mulch
 
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Mick said:
I think of the 100k plus that have lost their lives and the millions that have lost a loved one. I guess that is just a sh!t happens emotional response from you.
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Are you counting the record number of suicides in your 100k? Or do those lost lives not matter.
 
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Mick said:
No they weren't.

The White House coronavirus response coordinator said Monday that she is "very worried about every city in the United States" and projects 100,000 to 200,000 American deaths as a best case scenario. -March 30, 2020

Trump - "no worse than the flu".

Just because Trump supporters, like yourself believed Trump over the experts (for the life of me I can't think of any sane person that would believe a word that comes out of his mouth) doesn't mean the experts were wrong; it means you were wrong.
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Dr. Birx predicts up to 200,000 US coronavirus deaths 'if we do things almost perfectly'

Well we've still got a long way to go to hit 200K. Of course this was one of their better predictions

Then there's this:

Death Toll May Be Lower Than Predicted: Dr. Birx

Yeah Mick, if you cherrypick enough there's something for everyone here. The difference between you and me is that I document my sources so that the reader can get all sides of the story whereas you post fragments of sentences
 
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Mick said:
Look around, the protesters are being demonized by the right under the guise of spreading the virus while at the same time downplaying it's ability to spread to "open up" the economy (service sector). If Republicans are running around like it's no big deal, I have no problem with the other half protesting.
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Uh. I dont think most on the right are demonizing them for the spread. More just pointing out the hypocrisy. And demozong the looting which tends to be ignored, as well as the spread.
 
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utvolpj said:
You should compare the 2 since the different groups are being treated much differently. A haircut threatened the world's health but these mass gatherings are ok. Their potential for spread is infinitely greater yet i haven't seen the same fervor from you as we did a couple of weeks ago. Just find it interesting

It's either a hoax or the protesters are domestic terrorists with a bioweapon.
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It isn't a hoax, but it is not the worst case scenario we seem to be treating it as.

I think people have a lot of bad information right now, and their ability to determine actions is limited by the binary thinking inculcated by social media and partisanship.

How we need to react to Covid needs to be unique to our situation, but folks now seem to believe if anyone behaves differently than them, then they are doing something wrong.

I don't think I have to wear a raincoat in Virginia if there is a Nor'easter off the coast of Maine, but everyone in my area where there have been 5 cases in a month are required to wear masks to enter a store.

By the time we get a spike, I couldn't blame anyone for thinking it's all BS and not taking the precautions that would then finally be appropriate.
 
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Rifleman said:
It isn't a hoax, but it is not the worst case scenario we seem to be treating it as.
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It's a hoax wrt the needless overreaction forced upon us and the shaming of anyone who dared question it. It's a virus that targets old and/or vulnerable yet we shut down schools for 2 months. We forced businesses to close and many will never recover or reopen. We took tens of millions out of the workforce. We took trillions out of the hands of the working class and added an insurmountable number to the debt.

Based on all that, it was a hoax
 
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Rifleman said:
It isn't a hoax, but it is not the worst case scenario we seem to be treating it as.

I think people have a lot of bad information right now, and their ability to determine actions is limited by the binary thinking inculcated by social media and partisanship.

How we need to react to Covid needs to be unique to our situation, but folks now seem to believe if anyone behaves differently than them, then they are doing something wrong.

I don't think I have to wear a raincoat in Virginia if there is a Nor'easter off the coast of Maine, but everyone in my area where there have been 5 cases in a month are required to wear masks to enter a store.

By the time we get a spike, I couldn't blame anyone for thinking it's all BS and not taking the precautions that would then finally be appropriate.
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The information and data from the study of the virus is getting better. We have better information today than we did a month ago and a constant reevaluation of our environment and actions is required.
 
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Mick said:
The bigger the issues, the bigger the crowd. I suppose you want to equate both movements, the open up the economy at all cost movement to the police reform movement?
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Without the economy, how does a new generation of police receive training?
 
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Well crap , I’m no longer a non mask virgin . Stupid ass governor and his mandates . I had to wear one to go into a business . I still rubbed up against as many people as I could trying to spread it around and made sure I was no more than 4 ft away from anybody around me . Maybe the steam off my glasses helped spread some herd immunity . 😉
 
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It's an interesting rift that has opened up. In the beginning of all of this many of us on here discussed risk tolerance. Every day you get in your car to go to work you could die. But you accept that risk because your job gives you money to do the things necessary to have a life. It's my belief that people should calibrate their own risk tolerance. If you want to stay in, stay in. If you want to go out, go out. But now we find the people that said scientists and government know better than you are now saying some things are worth risking yourself. Which is what we've said the whole time. To ridicule a man who wants to run his business to feed his kids but praise someone protesting for a better system is nonsense. They are both embodying life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. There are quality of life issues in both cases. To say one matters more than the other isn't your call.
 
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Mick said:
The information and data from the study of the virus is getting better. We have better information today than we did a month ago and a constant reevaluation of our environment and actions is required.
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I wouldn't argue against the science, and medical interventions getting better. That is happening.

I also can't count the number of times I have seen claims about what a particular study says, then found the study to read it, and saw that the study in question either directly contradicted or did not address what people were claiming its conclusions were.

So I am not sure that we have any way to harness what doctors and scientists are learning efficiently until we get a vaccine to pierce people's social media and partisan media bubbles.
 
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Mick said:
The information and data from the study of the virus is getting better. We have better information today than we did a month ago and a constant reevaluation of our environment and actions is required.
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Do you feel your actions and concerns are different today than a month ago relative to the new data?
 
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Rifleman said:
I wouldn't argue against the science, and medical interventions getting better. That is happening.

I also can't count the number of times I have seen claims about what a particular study says, then found the study to read it, and saw that the study in question either directly contradicted or did not address what people were claiming its conclusions were.

So I am not sure that we have any way to harness what doctors and scientists are learning efficiently until we get a vaccine to pierce people's social media and partisan media bubbles.
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I don't think a vaccine is going to fix this. There are far too many people who aren't going to take it.
 
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