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PointGuard said:
And your logic behind that thought is?
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A few reasons:

1) I value freedom and believe that each individual should be responsible for making decisions for himself or herself. This includes whether to stay at home, wear PPE, social distance, etc.

2) A few weeks into the shutdown it became evident this disease was riskiest for the elderly population and the all or none approach was overkill

3) The cure was actually worse than the disease. The economic impacts will be with us for decades, and it didn’t have to be that way.
 
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If we could look at each case of who dies, with 99.9% probability, will be able to clearly see the real reasons behind the virus ATTRIBUTING to their deaths, not causing it.
 
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evillawyer said:
You see the problem with this right? (Hint: Florida's cases have doubled in the past two weeks; it takes longer than that to die from COVID).
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Stop the protest and start prescribing HCL or the steroid Budesonide. Nobody should be dying of this., Power players putting money, power, and an election over lives is the problem. DIMs are the grim reaper here.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I'm actually reading it right now. The similarities to current LeftThink are crazy.
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If you want to read something relevant to today's politics, read Albert Camus' The Plague. It has much to say about life in the midst of a pandemic. Hint: the plague is also an allegory for the spread of Nazism.
 
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‘Herd immunity’ near, but MSM suppress recovery numbers
Why are cheaper treatments not being pushed? It's all about the money.
•Jul 4, 2020


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According to new reports, humanity is approaching a herd immunity to COVID-19 due to rising recoveries from the virus. However, mainstream media has been ignoring the recovery numbers. One America’s Kristian Rouz finds out why.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I am angry as all get out with this policy. I am obviously no Dr, but putting these patients in homes with the elderly was criminal. Everyone knew the elderly statistics early on as was well as the obvious impact of a any disease with the elderly. It borders on criminal intentionality or stupidity as I really cannot see any other rationale. If I was a family member of the deceased, I would be apoplectic.
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To be clear, I think these were returning patients to their nursing home. At that point it's on the nursing home to properly isolate them. Now NY is a different story. Trump sent them an entire ship so Cuomo had other options. In general, what options do governors have for nursing home C-19 positive patients? I think you kinda got to send them back but these homes have to be set up to deal with it. If they're not then there's all sorts of problems.
 
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DC_Vol said:
A few reasons:

1) I value freedom and believe that each individual should be responsible for making decisions for himself or herself. This includes whether to stay at home, wear PPE, social distance, etc.

2) A few weeks into the shutdown it became evident this disease was riskiest for the elderly population and the all or none approach was overkill

3) The cure was actually worse than the disease. The economic impacts will be with us for decades, and it didn’t have to be that way.
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I agree with you up to a point. If gov't goes through the proper legislative process then I think it's fine to require PPE in situations where doing so will protect citizens. I agree that you should have the right to decide for yourself whether to wear a mask etc but when your not wearing a mask endangers someone else then I think it's OK to require the mask. I do not think that mayors and governors can by decree require masks
 
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Sea Ray said:
I agree with you up to a point. If gov't goes through the proper legislative process then I think it's fine to require PPE in situations where doing so will protect citizens. I agree that you should have the right to decide for yourself whether to wear a mask etc but when your not wearing a mask endangers someone else then I think it's OK to require the mask.
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Where are they going to set this arbitrary number for mask wearing? As we have seen, solid numbers are difficult to nail down during an evolving illness.

Your last sentence would mean we would need to have been wearing masks every winter of our lives.
 
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allvol123 said:
Where are they going to set this arbitrary number for mask wearing? As we have seen, solid numbers are difficult to nail down during an evolving illness.

Your last sentence would mean we would need to have been wearing masks every winter of our lives.
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They do need to be reasonable. For example, requiring a mask on a beach would be nuts. Here in Cincinnati they're considering an ordinance for indoor businesses. It requires masks for:

Indoors in public or congregate settings, including government buildings, retail stores and on public transportation.
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FAQ: What you need to know about Cincinnati's new mask ordinance

I'm fine with that and it will likely help curb the spread.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Dr Richard Bartlett - The COVID 19 Silver Bullet
•Jul 6, 2020

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Exactly. The MO with HCL and other therapeutics is wait until the patient is at or near death. Anyone with half a brain can see the NIH study was specific to critical patients even already on a vent. That is a test set up to fail. Then you have the see I told you so. The analogy is perfect. Don’t wait until the home is 2/3 burned down before you start fighting the fire.

I myself kept wondering why nebulizer therapeutic treatments were not being used. We know Covid has a inflammatory reaction to the lungs. Guess what else does that? Asthma and other pulmonary conditions. We have treatments for pulmonary inflammation. Have you heard of any being prescribed to people in the early stages of Covid? No.
 
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Roustabout said:
Exactly. The MO with HCL and other therapeutics is wait until the patient is at or near death. Anyone with half a brain can see the NIH study was specific to critical patients even already on a vent. That is a test set up to fail. Then you have the see I told you so. The analogy is perfect. Don’t wait until the home is 2/3 burned down before you start fighting the fire.

I myself kept wondering why nebulizer therapeutic treatments were not being used. We know Covid has a inflammatory reaction to the lungs. Guess what else does that? Asthma and other pulmonary conditions. We have treatments for pulmonary inflammation. Have you heard of any being prescribed to people in the early stages of Covid? No.
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Just my anecdotal story on HCL. I know a cancer survivor in their 70s. This person has to take HCL regularly, not sure why, just know that they do. This person has never stopped working during all this and never wears a mask. Works in close proximity to others.
 
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tennvols77 said:
If we could look at each case of who dies, with 99.9% probability, will be able to clearly see the real reasons behind the virus ATTRIBUTING to their deaths, not causing it.
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1) This number is complete nonsense

2) How do you define attributing and not causing?
 
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PointGuard said:
Technically speaking you would expect so I agree but those Asian cultures are big time face mask wearers. On any given day approx 10% of people are wearing a mask in Japan for exsmple
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They also gave the most dense population and the highest percentage of elderly.
 
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allvol123 said:
Just my anecdotal story on HCL. I know a cancer survivor in their 70s. This person has to take HCL regularly, not sure why, just know that they do. This person has never stopped working during all this and never wears a mask. Works in close proximity to others.
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People should take the time to read the study on HCL and see what the conditions were.
Imagine going to the doctor and your X-ray shows a tiny spot on your lung. Biopsy reveals it’s cancer. The doctor says go home and rest and come back when it’s spread to the entire lung. They then treat with surgery, radiation and chemo. You die and they say, well I guess those treatments really aren’t effective.

This is exactly the way these studies were set up. Critical patients. I have a client who is a doctor who worked on remdesivir. They also were only treating critical patients.
 
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Persian Vol said:
1) This number is complete nonsense

2) How do you define attributing and not causing?
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Attributing: the virus didn't just kill a healthy peson, it is people who are more susceptible (common sense) as in the elderly, who are more probable to have any thing have a greater affect on them and their health. People who are fat and overweight, have high blood pressure, crappy circulation, weak hearts, weak immune systems, and those with diabetes and so on and so on.

So, they, whether through this virus or any other type of external factors, we can say the virus was not the cause, but, a factor along with other internally present personal "issues" or forms of deficiency that allowed the attributing factor, the virus, to wreak more havoc on a weaker body and thus cause death.

I know you are in med school, but, the reality is those dying were not "healthy" people to begin with. And, if we assume that of the 130,000+ deaths that there have been less than 1,300 healthy people die, yes, 99% probability we could see that existing issues are the main cause that made the virus deadly.

I look at it as a contributing factor, and yes, had they not gotten the virus they probably wouldn't have died when they did.

However, the virus, as a killer, is not a contributing factor to healthy people, so, the virus in and of itself isn't killing people, it is killing susceptible people who could have easily been killed by any other type of virus or illness.
 
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I don't trust any one or anything anymore concerning any of this, unless I can personally delve into this myself and every medical record of each person, maybe my mind would be changed. But, I have a feeling that the reality is that with the vast vast majority of deaths from the virus they can be attributed to, and will show, that pre-existing health issues were present.

If we had 10% (13,000) of deaths from "younger" "healthy" people then I also might feel different. But, so far, even the reports (take with grain of salt) are showing that is not even close to being the case.
 
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