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Thank you. I like Mick. But I hear this a ton. It’s just impacting the service industry. All I can do is shake my head. It’s literally what feeds the economy. We can debate the merits of that but it’s not relevant. Millions potentially homeless. That means hundreds of thousands of kids who will struggle for food. Why? Someone explain why that’s the approach?

It is not just the service industry. Go speak with loggers or guys who are working in machine shops(Not directed at you). Go speak with cattle & dairy farmers. Two of the last three dairy farmers in the county I live in just closed shop.

People need to suck it up and get back to work.

Just bought 10 2x10s at 12ft. $205. That cost is almost double what it was four months ago.
 
Thank you. I like Mick. But I hear this a ton. It’s just impacting the service industry. All I can do is shake my head. It’s literally what feeds the economy. We can debate the merits of that but it’s not relevant. Millions potentially homeless. That means hundreds of thousands of kids who will struggle for food. Why? Someone explain why that’s the approach?
Not only that and this may sound morbid, but I hear all the time, what I want in life is to make sure my kids or our countrys children are set up for a successful future. How is this helping that cause? Kids are already struggling more so now than they were 10 years ago. Its people in their 20's and 30's losing their jobs because they are on the bottom of the totem pole at work. It's thosenkids that can't pay rent, have to sell their car and now they can't get to work. Forcing them to take out loans with ridiculous interests rates that they'll never be able to pay off. This is where the morbid part starts, is this lockdown worth buying a few years with a family member, but destroying the next 25 years of your kids future. I get it death sucks and it sucks to lose anyone I've lost all 3 of my grandparents, but its a part of life. We can either live in fear of something that is going to happen anyways, or we can do what we can to take proper precautions, be as hygienic with possible, and do the best we can with what we have to set our children, their children this country up for the future.
 
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Yeah and when we open back up we need to bounce back sooner than later, the longer it takes to bounce back the more damage that's caused. I feel awful for both you SIL and especially your sister I bet she is devastated.
A lot of these jobs aren’t coming back. The big businesses with the cash and flexibility to deal with this will get bigger, a lot of small businesses are done for good.
 
A lot of these jobs aren’t coming back. The big businesses with the cash and flexibility to deal with this will get bigger, a lot of small businesses are done for good.
100%. A lot of big businesses are going to downsize as well. Airlines are one really good example. They are furloughing thousands and Deltas CEO has said multiple times they will come out of this smaller and will stay that way for awhile.
 
100%. A lot of big businesses are going to downsize as well. Airlines are one really good example. They are furloughing thousands and Deltas CEO has said multiple times they will come out of this smaller and will stay that way for awhile.
Tightening of the belt is happening everywhere. “Right size”. I am shocked people don’t realizes how bad this will be. It will make 08 look like a cake walk.
 
Tightening of the belt is happening everywhere. “Right size”. I am shocked people don’t realizes how bad this will be. It will make 08 look like a cake walk.
100%. Im honestly thinking it could take at least 5 and maybe up to 10 years to get the economy up to pre covid levels after all this.
 
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I appreciate the well-thought and equally-sad discussion tonight. I'm quite certain that the fallout from our botched approach will be much more painful than most appreciate, right now. I'm just starting to see some of the effects in my own practice. I pray we can round the turn and rebound more quickly than I anticipate.
 
So much for the V-shaped recovery, eh?
Is this the first ever recession by government edict? That's what makes the entire thing truly bizarre. But honestly it's been four months of this mess and you've changed people's habits permanently. My anniversary is Thursday, the in laws offered to watch the kids "so we could go somewhere" but where the hell would we go? My wife wants nothing to do with being in a restaurant, picking something up from a decent place would mean eating it on a park bench or a blanket since it would be cold by the time we got home. We could take a stroll down by the river with our masks on dodging strangers as if they were lepers. That sounds romantic and worthwhile. I thought this would be over quickly and stupidly believed 2 weeks was going to be it. Here we are four months later and this **** is seriously weighing on people's mental health. I'm honestly surprised there aren't more "Karen" videos out there. We have kept people in a completely abnormal state of limbo for months where some people are pretending things are fine and some people are telling you to update your will. We have taken away their ability to earn a wage, to spend that wage, to relax and recreate, to worship, to socialize, to do human things. There are lots of other things going on in people's lives outside of this pandemic and you have no idea what will push them over the edge. The economic webinars I've been on don't see us returning to anything close to normal before 2023. The damage this will wrought on the average person is going to be immense and long lasting.
 
I appreciate the well-thought and equally-sad discussion tonight. I'm quite certain that the fallout from our botched approach will be much more painful than most appreciate, right now. I'm just starting to see some of the effects in my own practice. I pray we can round the turn and rebound more quickly than I anticipate.
IMO, there is going to be more of this discussion as we begin to reopen. Those who have refused to, will see the true devastation that the lockdown has caused.
 
100%. Im honestly thinking it could take at least 5 and maybe up to 10 years to get the economy up to pre covid levels after all this.
Well, lets back up. The economy wasn't exactly healthy before all of this. All this did was provided convenient cover for the very people that were pumping up the markets and allowed the big guys to cash out and leave the crime scene.
 
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Well, lets back up. The economy wasn't exactly healthy before all of this. All this did was provided convenient cover for the very people that were pumping up the markets and allowed the big guys to cash out and leave the crime scene.
That might be the case, but there were still plenty of jobs and the unemployment rate had been steadily dropping. Now there are less jobs and a higher unemployment rate. Companies are going to worry about getting their balance sheets right, and turning a profit before a lot of those unemployed come back to work. In the mean time those unemployed are going to have to choose between putting a roof over their head or buying food. That might've been a problem for some, but for the most part if you worked you had what you needed. Now we are looking at years of people not being able to afford what they need.
 
Tightening of the belt is happening everywhere. “Right size”. I am shocked people don’t realizes how bad this will be. It will make 08 look like a cake walk.

Yeah. I've been brushing up on coding the past few weeks. I'll be studying intensely for the next two weeks and applying for a programming bootcamp cohort in November or December.

I'm not seeing a very stable future in beverage direction in the US anytime soon and a remote career in coding/programming/software is looking like the better play for my skillset. The uncertainty is not worth the stress.
 
Well you may want to check some of the new studies out on Herd immunity. Could be promising. And no industry will be back where it was anytime soon. And the Swiss weren’t out to kill their people. Took a typical Swiss approach to such things. Ordering months long lock down likely did nothing but make things worse.

I would like to see the research on this. Sweden has the highest death rate of any Scandinavian country.
 
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I would like to see the research on this. Sweden has the highest death rate of any Scandinavian country.
As I have explained, Sweden's fault was the lack of care for their elderly. If they gave nursing homes and older patients more priority/attention, there would be a much different picture. As it stands, they still fared better overall than a number of countries. Subtract the excess deaths in the oldest subset of the population/nursing home residents, and they actually did better.
 
As I have explained, Sweden's fault was the lack of care for their elderly. If they gave nursing homes and older patients more priority/attention, there would be a much different picture. As it stands, they still fared better overall than a number of countries. Subtract the excess deaths in the oldest subset of the population/nursing home residents, and they actually did better.
I'm sure that would hold true for all countries. You're trying to hard to spin this.
 
Republicans can play politics as every party has done but nothing compares to Pelosi. Ripping up the SOTU speech-infantile. The Barr hearing a few days ago-the most embarrassingly performance by a political party ever. What a disgrace they are. Tell me one time that you saw Republicans acting in a childish manner like the two incidents I noted above .There are many more.

Mocking a reporter with a disability. Disparaging a Gold-Star family. I'll leave it at that but I'm sure those of us with heads not inserted firmly in asses know I could go all day... Please turn off Fox for 3 seconds, the network that freaked when Obama wore a tan suit.

Ha, you cry "infantile",,, good stuff...
 

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