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[volfanhill]

It highlights shortcoming of a service based economy and low paying jobs to begin with. Some seem willing to sacrifice the elderly in order to save those poor service industry jobs. That's what's F'ed up.

You don’t have to sacrifice the elderly. They can do this thing we all got practice at. It’s called sheltering in place. The virus has to run its course.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

You don’t say

That was my original reply and changed it before posting.

 

[Stew Cook]

If the Swiss are right they don’t get a wave two or three or four.

I doubt we could expect the same, regardless, the way we are spread out geographically. Our waves are going to move slowly and we may have more than one going on at the same time.

 

[volfanhill]

I doubt we could expect the same, regardless, the way we are spread out geographically. Our waves are going to move slowly and we may have more than one going on at the same time.

That’s true. But ultimately, what the Swiss are hoping for, is a low HIT rate. If they are right we would hit that relatively quickly here as well. Just different states at different times.

 

[volfanhill]

It highlights shortcoming of a service based economy and low paying jobs to begin with. Some seem willing to sacrifice the elderly in order to save those poor service industry jobs. That's what's F'ed up.

And it is killing service industry jobs now. But that impacts the entire economy. Millions of non service jobs will disappear as well.

 

[LouderVol]

No, a balance, like being responsible, while going on with our lives, responsibly. This is not an all or nothing situation. Pretty much what we are doing, now, minus those who say it's not worth the effort.

Sweden didnt do nothing. They have worn masks, socially distanced, and protected the at risk. Maybe even washed their hands a time or two more than usual.

For me it's not about "worth the effort", the better question is: has it been worth the government locking up civilians while simultaneously releasing prisoners because of the virus?

 

[Stew Cook]

tell 'em Chuck

 

[LouderVol]

That’s true. But ultimately, what the Swiss are hoping for, is a low HIT rate. If they are right we would hit that relatively quickly here as well. Just different states at different times.

Meatballs and cheap furniture. Not chocolates and banks.

 

[volfanhill]

I will post this to say one thing. There is a reason scientists have always said the public shouldn’t wear masks for anything else. Primarily because you are more likely to accidentally make yourself sick. And before I get jumped on, I wear a mask, but I don’t make my kid wear one. I will “protect” others to not be a dick. But I won’t ask my child to put herself at risk. I do make her in business that ask the public to do so.

The land with no face masks: Holland's top scientists say there's no solid evidence coverings work | Daily Mail Online

 

[Mick]

You don’t have to sacrifice the elderly. They can do this thing we all got practice at. It’s called sheltering in place. The virus has to run its course.

We also knew going in the only option to defeat the virus was herd immunity, either a certain percentage of the population has to be infected and maintain immunity for an extended period of time or a vaccine needed to be developed. The other option is to find an effective treatment. When we achieve herd immunity a few years down the road the service sector will still not have fully recovered. It would be unrealistic to think if the virus magically went away tomorrow the economy or the service industries would make it back to pre-virus levels by this time next year.

 

[Stew Cook]

Sweden didnt do nothing. They have worn masks, socially distanced, and protected the at risk. Maybe even washed their hands a time or two more than usual.

For me it's not about "worth the effort", the better question is: has it been worth the government locking up civilians while simultaneously releasing prisoners because of the virus?

I just haven't noticed much difference. I know those in the NYC area were locked down pretty tight, but around here, not so much. I rarely eat out or go to bars etc..

Maybe more than I've realized, though.

 

[volfanhill]

We also knew going in the only option to defeat the virus was herd immunity, either a certain percentage of the population has to be infected and maintain immunity for an extended period of time or a vaccine needed to be developed. The other option is to find an effective treatment. When we achieve herd immunity a few years down the road the service sector will still not have fully recovered. It would be unrealistic to think if the virus magically went away tomorrow the economy or the service industries would make it back to pre-virus levels by this time next year.

Well you may want to check some of the new studies out on Herd immunity. Could be promising. And no industry will be back where it was anytime soon. And the Swiss weren’t out to kill their people. Took a typical Swiss approach to such things. Ordering months long lock down likely did nothing but make things worse.

 

[kell7517]

It isn't free when you have a contract to work/play for a contractor. Simple as that and if you don't believe me, ask a D1 athlete if sports isn't work.

Again no sport playing, which is what got you into that school, no scholly.. you choose not to play then pay for your education. I

 

[kell7517]

You’ve clearly never sat for an economics course

I have not...

 

[kell7517]

Your company should pay you in education. Why not pay the coaches in education?

If my company pays my house, my medical bills, my personal training, my food. And all
I need to do is attend class and play a game. . I’m in

 

[volfanhill]

If my company pays my house, my medical bills, my personal training, my food. And all
I need to do is attend class and play a game. . I’m in

What a sad life you must live if that’s all you need. Jesus I can’t believe an adult just said that.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Well you may want to check some of the new studies out on Herd immunity. Could be promising. And no industry will be back where it was anytime soon. And the Swiss weren’t out to kill their people. Took a typical Swiss approach to such things. Ordering months long lock down likely did nothing but make things worse.

The only part of the above that I would clarify is that Sweden is not in the business of spending large amounts of money on its elderly who have a less-favorable prognosis. If we could have taken a primarily "Sweden approach" while locking down the nursing homes and providing top-notch care for the sick elderly/frail, I think we would be well over-the-hump without additional mortality.

 

[davethevol]

Meatballs and cheap furniture. Not chocolates and banks.

I’ll just spell it out for him since he’s always condescending: Sweden’s people are called Swedes. Switzerland’s are Swiss.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

It highlights shortcoming of a service based economy and low paying jobs to begin with. Some seem willing to sacrifice the elderly in order to save those poor service industry jobs. That's what's F'ed up.

It is F'ed up, but you know what else is F'ed up, millions losing their jobs with no way to provide for their families, millions of Americans not being able to pay rent and losing their homes. Increases in suicide rates, alcohol and drug relapses that come from this. It sucks to lose anybody but which is worse millions or thousands

 

[volfanhill]

It is F'ed up, but you know what else is F'ed up, millions losing their jobs with no way to provide for their families, millions of Americans not being able to pay rent and losing their homes. Increases in suicide rates, alcohol and drug relapses that come from this. It sucks to lose anybody but which is worse millions or thousands

It’s also a short sighted comment. The ripple effect will impact so much more then service industry. They are out of work. They can’t buy other things. Those companies struggle. Hospitals are screwed. My SIL hospital, where she is the head nurse practitioner, was losing $20 million a month. Colleges are screwed. Manufacturing is screwed. Oil is screwed. It’s a domino effect. It’s not just your Applebee’s hostess whose screwed. It bleeds into every aspect. My sister was hired to run the Delta account for an advertising company here in Atlanta. Hired in as a VP. She’s done.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

It’s also a short sighted comment. The ripple effect will impact so much more then service industry. They are out of work. They can’t buy other things. Those companies struggle. Hospitals are screwed. My SIL hospital, where she is the head nurse practitioner, was losing $20 million a month. Colleges are screwed. Manufacturing is screwed. Oil is screwed. It’s a domino effect. It’s not just your Applebee’s hostess whose screwed. It bleeds into every aspect. My sister was hired to run the Delta account for an advertising company here in Atlanta. Hired in as a VP. She’s done.

Yeah and when we open back up we need to bounce back sooner than later, the longer it takes to bounce back the more damage that's caused. I feel awful for both you SIL and especially your sister I bet she is devastated.

 

[VOLnVANDYland]

I have not...

Shows...

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

 

[RavinDave]

I doubt we could expect the same, regardless, the way we are spread out geographically. Our waves are going to move slowly and we may have more than one going on at the same time.

It’s how a fire spreads. At variable rates in various directions depending on the availability and distribution of combustible material (fuel), the weather, and whatever efforts may be made at dampening/extinguishing it. The fire follows the fuel, the fuel being people without immunity. Until there is enough immunity whether from post infection antibodies or vaccination, that the fire will snuff itself out. How long that takes in the US, I am guessing at least a couple years without a vaccine. I remember reading in The Great Influenza, about how Eskimo villages in the most remote parts of Alaska were hit hard (some even wiped out)... The virus will find its way to every community, we just have to be smart about how we bring the economy back while protecting the most vulnerable.

 

[volfanhill]

Yeah and when we open back up we need to bounce back sooner than later, the longer it takes to bounce back the more damage that's caused. I feel awful for both you SIL and especially your sister I bet she is devastated.

Thank you. I like Mick. But I hear this a ton. It’s just impacting the service industry. All I can do is shake my head. It’s literally what feeds the economy. We can debate the merits of that but it’s not relevant. Millions potentially homeless. That means hundreds of thousands of kids who will struggle for food. Why? Someone explain why that’s the approach?