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[allvol123]

'Not magic' says Rep. Fine on hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19
It does not work....

Solid work there. So using your logic if one person does use it and gets better, then that is conclusive proof it does work.

 

[BeecherVol]

In a way, I think so. The science just gets wrapped up in it.

Its not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[McDad]

'Not magic' says Rep. Fine on hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19
It does not work....

Rep. Fine is still alive, though.

Just sayin'.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Rep. Fine is still alive, though.

Just sayin'.

I hear Fine feels fine.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Solid work there. So using your logic if one person does use it and gets better, then that is conclusive proof it does work.

I would take the people dying and Doctors not prescribing it as proof that it does not work. If it worked, would people be dying of Covid? If it worked, would Doctors not being prescribing it? Or would they be hoarding it to sell on the black market? I wish donald would've said estrogen was a cure for Covid.....just imagine how many maga dolts would be walking around with man boobs and sensitive nipples.....even more emotional....

 

[BeardedVol]

Per the link you provided they might have encouraged taking a vaccine but not to shut up, stay home and wear a mask. You pulled those out of your azz.

Considering both of them were at the forefront trusting applied medical science when it game to disease control, it's pretty safe to say that both would have listened to the consensus opinions of medical experts.

That and the weren't morons who understood that restrictions during a pandemic in the name of public health =/= "tramplun' on muh rights".

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The Founding Fathers Would’ve Been Pro-Face Mask

Washington and Jefferson at least would have told you shut up, take the vaccine when it is available, stay at home unless you have to, and wear a mask if you have to go out.

Nice try...

Obviously Washington didn't mandate small pox vaccinations if he allowed soldiers that balked to continue to serve under Hamilton. Nor does t say anything about Jefferson mandating a vaccine.

All three were pro-vaxxers, for example. As commanding general of the Continental Army, Washington required in 1777 that all his soldiers be inoculated against smallpox by infecting them with mild cases of the disease, leaving his right-hand man Hamilton to tangle with officers who balked at the edict. Then, after English doctor Edward Jenner introduced vaccination with cowpox, a largely harmless disease that conferred immunity to smallpox, Jefferson enthusiastically embraced the practice as president, conducting trials of the vaccine on his family and neighbors, disseminating it among Native American tribes and promoting the career of the Boston doctor who was Jenner’s chief American disciple.

 

[hog88]

Considering both of them were at the forefront trusting applied medical science when it game to disease control, it's pretty safe to say that both would have listened to the consensus opinions of medical experts.

That and the weren't morons who understood that restrictions during a pandemic in the name of public health =/= "tramplun' on muh rights".

I'm sure they would have listened but would have been restrained in what they could actually do by the constitution they wrote.

That piece of paper is a pesky little thing.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Considering both of them were at the forefront trusting applied medical science when it game to disease control, it's pretty safe to say that both would have listened to the consensus opinions of medical experts.

That and the weren't morons who understood that restrictions during a pandemic in the name of public health =/= "tramplun' on muh rights".

Yeah, so much so that Washington died from bloodletting...

 

[LouderVol]

Not really. You can claim social distancing, masks and lockdowns are the key but they aren’t. Sweden is a much, much more diverse population than Japan. Can’t really compare them one to one. We have seen cases go up even though super strict restrictions are in place. Why? Because it’s an infectious virus. That’s the way it is.

Depends on how you look at things.

Sweden considers anyone whose family has not been in Sweden for 12 generations to not be swedish. There are about 3 million "not pure Swedes". With most of the not swedes being from Norway. Not really diverse at all.

Japan takes the opposite approach, if you are a naturalized citizen you are Japanese in their census. No matter your place of birth. They have approx 1.3 million non japanese living on the island(s).

Japan has about 5 times the population.

But oh yeah, they are on an island. A lot easier to lock that down.

 

[JohnWardForever]

Well More & More Brave Doctors are going against the Establishment Big Pharma Cult and treating (Early) with Hydroxychloroquine Zinc & Zpack; Even to the Point of Holding Press Conference Videos Alluding to their successful treatments---Which Big Tech Is Removing faster Than Hillary deleted emails---THEN, there is the recent FORD FOUNDATION STUDY that revealed at least 50% less fatalities when Using the 3 drug combo. So there is a viable treatment, also a preventative (If you care to believe frontline Doctors as opposed to test tube gurus with a definite Manipulative agenda to denounce a 60 year old drug that costs $20 per Patient vs Fauci's favorite @ $3400). SO, to quote the now famous Black Female Physician who has "Cured" over 350 in her Houston Clinic; "Nobody Has To Die!" WHY THE HELL WOULD THESE DOCTORS RISK EVERYTHING If they didn't believe what they are reporting to be true? And WHY does the MSM continue to Bash any positives about Hydroxy? All of them! You Really thing they Give a Rat's butt about US? NO. Ratings is the only thing to them. The Why is the big question of 2020. Just Who is giving them their Marching Orders. Just who is Paying for the Propaganda? Every reasonable American should be asking this question. Why are some Pharmacists actually Interfering with the time honored Doctor-Patient relationship? Just Who went the extra mile to Become a Doctor? The individual More Dedicated to Healing the sick. (To those that would mention the crapola about heart rhythm issues; HELL if you give a patient 2400 Milligrams Instead of the Recommended daily of 400; You will likely kill many; using ANY Drug. That's what those set up "Clinical Trials" did) Yep, this is a rant, but somebody needs to tell it like it is for a #$%^&* change. Back to sleep.

 

[JohnWardForever]

And Bill Gates has the cure all, right?

Gthoh

Yep. I'd like to know just Who The Hail Appointed or Anointed Gates as the Covid Guru; All things about Vaccines? Med Science Certificates Please! I do not trust that Guy for a second. He says we will need a "Vaccine Certificate" to leave the house. Really?

 

[JohnWardForever]

Whatever other people's opinions might be - I suspect one of the neat things about having millions in the bank is that when you're not sure about something, you don't have to do much of anything you don't feel comfortable doing.

Money Is Power. Gates Money is Big Power. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Gates left a trail of horror with his vaccines in 3rd world Countries. (India, Africa) Personna no grata. Surface skimmers don't know the real deal.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I would take the people dying and Doctors not prescribing it as proof that it does not work. If it worked, would people be dying of Covid? If it worked, would Doctors not being prescribing it? Or would they be hoarding it to sell on the black market? I wish donald would've said estrogen was a cure for Covid.....just imagine how many maga dolts would be walking around with man boobs and sensitive nipples.....even more emotional....

Doctors are using it some. It doesn’t work for certain groups of people with underlying health conditions.

 

[LouderVol]

Save the sanctimony for somebody less pragmatic. I tell my clients they can’t get acquitted because they drove around with dank weed in their car with no taillights. That doesn’t mean I believe fourth amendment jurisprudence is perfect. Doesn’t even mean I believe drugs should be illegal. I understand and operate within the system that we have. You should try it.

Oh wait, when you did, the best you could come up with was that 30,000 deaths is worth a marginal uptick in the economy. And even that argument rests on the flawed assertion that zero intervention in America would be proportionate in result to zero intervention in Sweden. That’s a prudential argument. A bad one. One you didn’t realize was bad when you were throwing out Fox News talking points about Sweden, a few days ago. When you realized it was bad is when you derailed into virtue signaling and trying to shame me about not sharing your ideals.

Which, btw, is incredibly typical of you. Get caught talking out your ass about what is so you turn all sanctimonious about what should be.


In America? When the consequences of those irresponsible choices affect other people? When they create a public health crisis? When they spread a deadly virus? Um... YES. Where have you been for the last 240 years? The constitution doesn’t prohibit it so it’s a prudential question.

The same concept was raised yesterday (without any objection or lack of understanding from the peanut gallery), in reference to the availability of ammonium nitrate. It’s not uncommon for consequential actions, be they negligent, reckless, or intentional, to be regulated. What the hell do you think tort law is? Pollution regs? Medical certifications? Fraud prevention?

Just ask this guy, he understands:




Ok, and “the law” says they can regulate commerce and the law gives the government broad power to regulate all manner of things during an acute public health situation, like the one going on now. That’s what the law is: it’s just a bunch of rules and consequences that prevent people from doing harm to each other.

Hell, in America, it doesn’t even have to directly affect other people. See: drug crimes.

Don’t like it? Do what you can to end the public health crisis and remove the justification for expanded government.

But the mere suggestion that you lift a finger to rectify the inconsistency between your stated ideals and actions provokes histrionics. Why?

It’s obvious.

The lifting of the finger is the common denominator. Behaving in a conscientious manner would change your status quo. The government mandates have affected your status quo. You’re all a bunch of selfish ***** who don’t want to change your lifestyle. You know you’ll get judged for admitting it, so you virtue signal about liberties that never even existed. It doesn’t even register that our response has been less constraining (and less effective) than almost every westernized country.

You’re no better than Costco Karen bitching about “constitutional freedom“ from privately mandated mask requirements. Your whole argument is devoid of any nexus to reality.

I went and found the actual numbers for swedens and its neighbors. As expected it was worse in deaths, better in economy. Not sure how that can be considered talking out of my but when I backed it up with numbers.

That's deflection from you counselor.

You were the one that brought morals into talking about the "failures" of Capitalism and how the government had to step in as the right thing. You then justified government intervention as the right thing because of some laws that the government made, and has operated on since the 50s. Which goes back to my circular reasoning comment. The government gave itself the right, ergo it has the right to interfere with the stimulus.

That's projection from you counselor.

And remind me, were one that questioned how Trump was giving out that money to budies? Because to me that falls into the "exptected" category of government intervention. Which is why I am saying it's not a good thing they get involved. Picking winners and losers never works. Which again I havent seen Sweden do, and you havent provided ANY documentation to your belief that Sweden is worse off.

You then apply victimhood to yourself because I dared respond in a manner you were unable to do yourself. Which is why I reckon I havent seen any links from you.

Again you go back into the circular argument of the government can, so the government should, so the government is required or right to step in. The coronabros admit the understanding of this situation is constantly changing. In your mind you can defend the governments in America taking various actions based on this knowledge, but you reject individuals rights to do the same. You make the intellectually dishonest argument that any individual making their own decisions is greedy, while begging the government to take away THEIR freedom, so that the government can give YOU a safety blanket the government cant even say definitely works. You reject any common sense that the one size fit all government's actions may not be to the best interest of every individual. So you are willing to round off all those lives that dont agree with your circular argument of the government said so so they are right.

All this greedy person wants to do be able to do is make smart decisions based on my reality not the assumed government reality. I guarantee I can take better care of my loved ones than the government ever will. And this greedy mofo does so at a 10% pay reduction and very real risk that my job wont exist in 6 months. So i am left trying to figure out how I can take care of the things that matter to me, without placing more of a burden on society based on government assumptions of what matters to me.

And i love that you assume i dont lift a finger. You go right to the personal attacks. I have stated multiple times, i wear a mask, i dont even complain out walking jobsite in 90 degree weather with other PPe on about it. Even when it gets uncomfortable I have always made the effort not to touch it and risk spreading germs. I socially distance myself however possible. At stores I avoid clogged aisles, I use their handsantizer whenever provided, I make sure I only touch things I buy. I make that conscious effort. But I guess you know more about my life than I do, because you are for the government intervention and the government knows best because the government has that power. I also work from home most days, except when required to come in. When I do go in I follow my offices strict rules. Constant cleaning, no gathering, no direct contact with coworkers, full mask compliance. And then let's talk about my work, I work at an architecture firm, it's my job to care for the public welfare. I have more working knowledge of what that means than the elected officials you trust in. I research this stuff, talk to clients, and experts about it. Toe pulls, increased outdoor air flow, BPI (bipolar ionization because I am sure you are too conceited to admit no knowledge of it), brass and copper finishes, UV lights etc.

But no you have to base your world view and arguments on this board on the assumption that the people you disagree with are the worst and couldnt possibly have any knowledge that you dont. Which is why you want the government to protect you. You dont want to be responsible, and so you twist it to be those who want the responsibility as the greedy ones. I have never once had an interaction with the government where I can say I trust them more than me. And without going into "historinics", which is a funny way of saying 'facts that hurt my argument', i would say history also says to be wary of government. But again you wont accept that certainty because the government has the power ergo they are right to use it.

 

[BeardedVol]

Yeah, so much so that Washington died from bloodletting...

So you want to argue 18th century medical practices and their application at that time in history?

Nice try...

Obviously Washington didn't mandate small pox vaccinations if he allowed soldiers that balked to continue to serve under Hamilton. Nor does t say anything about Jefferson mandating a vaccine.

You are flat wrong here.

At first, Washington simply required new recruits to be inoculated. Then, in February 1777, he bit the bullet entirely.

"Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running thro' the whole of our Army, I have determined that the Troops shall be inoculated. This Expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust, in its consequences will have the most happy effects."

This was a bold move. At the time, variolation was technically outlawed by the Continental Congress, so Washington was openly flouting the law. Whole divisions were inoculated and quarantined en masse, a process that would continue for months. Strict secrecy was maintained to prevent the British from uncovering the program, lest they launch an attack upon the recovering troops. By year's end, 40,000 soldiers were immunized.

The results were stunning. The smallpox infection rate in the Continental Army rapidly fell from 17 percent to one percent, prompting the Continental Congress to legalize variolation across the states.
How George Washington Used Vaccines to Help Win the Revolutionary War | RealClearScience

 

[volbeast33]

I would take the people dying and Doctors not prescribing it as proof that it does not work. If it worked, would people be dying of Covid? If it worked, would Doctors not being prescribing it? Or would they be hoarding it to sell on the black market? I wish donald would've said estrogen was a cure for Covid.....just imagine how many maga dolts would be walking around with man boobs and sensitive nipples.....even more emotional....

You must not know many doctors.... some are idiots and some are good.... The last building I worked at.... I wouldn’t trust with a sore thumb

 

[hog88]

So you want to argue 18th century medical practices and their application at that time in history?



You are flat wrong here.

At first, Washington simply required new recruits to be inoculated. Then, in February 1777, he bit the bullet entirely.

"Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running thro' the whole of our Army, I have determined that the Troops shall be inoculated. This Expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust, in its consequences will have the most happy effects."

This was a bold move. At the time, variolation was technically outlawed by the Continental Congress, so Washington was openly flouting the law. Whole divisions were inoculated and quarantined en masse, a process that would continue for months. Strict secrecy was maintained to prevent the British from uncovering the program, lest they launch an attack upon the recovering troops. By year's end, 40,000 soldiers were immunized.

The results were stunning. The smallpox infection rate in the Continental Army rapidly fell from 17 percent to one percent, prompting the Continental Congress to legalize variolation across the states.
How George Washington Used Vaccines to Help Win the Revolutionary War | RealClearScience

And what does any of that have to do with your original post?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

 

[Volsfaninva917]

 

[LouderVol]

I would take the people dying and Doctors not prescribing it as proof that it does not work. If it worked, would people be dying of Covid? If it worked, would Doctors not being prescribing it? Or would they be hoarding it to sell on the black market? I wish donald would've said estrogen was a cure for Covid.....just imagine how many maga dolts would be walking around with man boobs and sensitive nipples.....even more emotional....

No medicine is 100%. The vaccine wont be 100%. Where is this argument coming from?

Just because a doctor with actual information on the sick person doesnt 100% turn to it doesnt mean it wont work on someone else.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you want to argue 18th century medical practices and their application at that time in history?



You are flat wrong here.

At first, Washington simply required new recruits to be inoculated. Then, in February 1777, he bit the bullet entirely.

"Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running thro' the whole of our Army, I have determined that the Troops shall be inoculated. This Expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust, in its consequences will have the most happy effects."

This was a bold move. At the time, variolation was technically outlawed by the Continental Congress, so Washington was openly flouting the law. Whole divisions were inoculated and quarantined en masse, a process that would continue for months. Strict secrecy was maintained to prevent the British from uncovering the program, lest they launch an attack upon the recovering troops. By year's end, 40,000 soldiers were immunized.

The results were stunning. The smallpox infection rate in the Continental Army rapidly fell from 17 percent to one percent, prompting the Continental Congress to legalize variolation across the states.
How George Washington Used Vaccines to Help Win the Revolutionary War | RealClearScience

The Army does all kinds of vaccinations that are not mandated on civilians.

 

[37L1]

I find this amazing. My daughter is a nurse at one of the big 4 hospitals in Nashville. They are so short of n95 masks that they have some sort of sterilization procedure they do to the mask at the end of each shift and they wear them again the next day. However, they aren't marked in any way so you don't know if you're getting the same mask you wore yesterday or a mask someone else wore. Sounds like a bad plan to me.

Also, her best friend is a nurse at another of the big 4 - in the Covid unit. Her friend's dad is in the hospital with Covid and her mom is sick at home with it. She is afraid to take a n95 mask home with her in case her mom gets sicker and she has to go take care of her. My daughter asked me today If I have an extra she could give to her friend to wear when she takes care of her mom at home. Luckily I had a couple extra.

How pathetic is it that 6 months into this thing hospitals still don't have enough n95 masks and are re-using them?

Interesting. I just bought a 4 pack of N-95 masks at Kroger. They had plenty.

 

[hog88]

The Army does all kinds of vaccinations that are not mandated on civilians.

Bearded made a failed attempt to say our FFs would have supported mask mandates, forced shut downs and stay at home orders. But he's just like the rest when asked exactly what power the president actually has in these situations, he ghosted.

 

[Weezy]

Smallpox was real threat to his army. It killed one of three infected people, including the young.

I don't think that compares to a virus killing 80 years olds and keeping everybody in their caves for 6 months.