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[BeardedVol]

There absolutely are times when I work hours that aren't billed. Most professionals do.

You want to cite that with some proof? If your salary is based on 40+ hours, and you agreed to it, that's one thing, but if your salary is based on a 40-hour week with no overtime expectation, and you are putting in more than 40 hours, then you are robbing yourself of compensation.

Anecdotally I've worked a salaried position since I left college, with every position requiring some sort of on-call rotation, and occasional calls outside of normal work hours. Not a single employer has ever failed to compensate me in additional on-call pay or comp time to cover the time worked outside of a 40-hour week; I usually take the comp time.

 

[allvol123]

And you do that without receiving financial compensation for the hours worked?

Yes. I am paid a salary and implicity it is understood I work normal business hours m-F.

Then, take a deep breath before you read the next part, as a professional I do whatever is necessary to be successful. No matter the day or time necessary.

 

[utvolpj]

My uncle used to work at Dollywood during the summer when he wasn't teaching...wonder how many other k-12 educators have summer gigs?

Lots. My neighbor in VA worked at Busch Gardens and got the whole family in free too. They had 5 boys and needed it

 

[newyorkvol]

I was wondering why the governor(s) couldn’t just decree/mandate that a full 2020-2021 academic year was only 150 days of students. That would given the teachers an additional 30 days of contractually obligates salary to develop remote learning plans.

 

[508mikey]

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[jaybird_1981]

You want to cite that with some proof? If your salary is based on 40+ hours, and you agreed to it, that's one thing, but if your salary is based on a 40-hour week with no overtime expectation, and you are putting in more than 40 hours, then you are robbing yourself of compensation.

Anecdotally I've worked a salaried position since I left college, with every position requiring some sort of on-call rotation, and occasional calls outside of normal work hours. Not a single employer has ever failed to compensate me in additional on-call pay or comp time to cover the time worked outside of a 40-hour week; I usually take the comp time.

Everyone doesn't work in fast food dude. Some people have real world missions to support that don't always fit into a 9-5 window. I usually get paid for every hour I work but there have been times where I have made sacrifices to ensure success and I don't go back and complain over a few hours here and there.

 

[BeardedVol]

So when somebody says a teacher only gets paid $x/per year they are wrong. They get paid $x/10months. They are not being paid for a full year.

Yes. If you look at the number of pay periods for teachers, there are 10, usually even when they allow for the deduction of funds to spread it out over 12 months, there are only 10 pay periods on the school calendar.

A lot of places have done away with allowing 12 payment on a 10 month salary, as they don't like the payroll headache that it causes them.

 

[utvolpj]

You want to cite that with some proof? If your salary is based on 40+ hours, and you agreed to it, that's one thing, but if your salary is based on a 40-hour week with no overtime expectation, and you are putting in more than 40 hours, then you are robbing yourself of compensation.

Anecdotally I've worked a salaried position since I left college, with every position requiring some sort of on-call rotation, and occasional calls outside of normal work hours. Not a single employer has ever failed to compensate me in additional on-call pay or comp time to cover the time worked outside of a 40-hour week; I usually take the comp time.

My salary, and those I work with, is based on the work getting done. Some weeks that may be 30hrs in the office and some may be 70hrs on site. We usually get a comp day here or there but we go until the work is complete. I'm not robbing myself if anything since I knew the gig before signing on. It was the same with my last job

 

[Volsfaninva917]

 

[BeardedVol]

Everyone doesn't work in fast food dude. Some people have real world missions to support that don't always fit into a 9-5 window.

In addition to several other roles,I'm the site SME on industrial controls systems with 24/7 shifts, I get calls all times of the day sometimes.

That doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to work for free just because someone called me outside of my normal work hours.

Your employer probably wishes you were more intelligent, but the lower quality performance is offset by the fact that you don't mind not getting paid, and you get to tell yourself that doing so is "professional"

I guess that's a win-win?

 

[rjd970]

It's semantics. They make x amount per year. If they want to claim it's only for 10mos that doesn't change the calculation

It does change the calculation for rates. If there are two people making $50K per year and one is a teacher then the teacher is actually getting paid a higher rate because they are working 2 months less. So really, when we say a teacher is making $50K per year, they are actually getting paid a higher rate than somebody working 12 months and making the same.

When we bid contracts at my job, we bid hourly rates for our employees. For a 1-year period of performance that equates out to a certain salary. It's just the way I look at it. The teacher and somebody else both making the same per year, I would have to bid the teacher at a higher rate (giving a higher salary) or lower the teacher rate to make the yearly salary come out the same.

Also - I would consider it being paid for 12 months, not 10, if they are keeping benefits over the two months they are not working. They are just choosing to get their paychecks over 10 months.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Teachers aren't paid for the time they don't work in the summer. Some school systems allow you to have your 10-month salary stretched over the summer but, that is not being paid for work done during those two months.

They are paid for 12 months. They may choose to take it in 10 months. Otherwise they would qualify for unemployment for the time they are off.

 

[BeardedVol]

Yes. I am paid a salary and implicity it is understood I work normal business hours m-F.

Then, take a deep breath before you read the next part, as a professional I do whatever is necessary to be successful. No matter the day, time, or lack of compensation.

FYP

I guess I've just chosen my employers better over the years.

 

[rjd970]

In addition to several other roles,I'm the site SME on industrial controls systems with 24/7 shifts, I get calls all times of the day sometimes.

That doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to work for free just because someone called me outside of my normal work hours.

Your employer probably wishes you were more intelligent, but the lower quality performance is offset by the fact that you don't mind not getting paid, and you get to tell yourself that doing so is "professional"

I guess that's a win-win?

How are you a salary employee and able to charge for more than 40-hours worked? At that point you are hourly, by definition. Sounds like your employer is stupid or you don't understand.

 

[utvolpj]

It does change the calculation for rates. If there are two people making $50K per year and one is a teacher then the teacher is actually getting paid a higher rate because they are working 2 months less. So really, when we say a teacher is making $50K per year, they are actually getting paid a higher rate than somebody working 12 months and making the same.

When we bid contracts at my job, we bid hourly rates for our employees. For a 1-year period of performance that equates out to a certain salary. It's just the way I look at it. The teacher and somebody else both making the same per year, I would have to bid the teacher at a higher rate (giving a higher salary) or lower the teacher rate to make the yearly salary come out the same.

Also - I would consider it being paid for 12 months, not 10, if they are keeping benefits over the two months they are not working. They are just choosing to get their paychecks over 10 months.

Have you ever heard a teacher say they only get paid $X amount for 10mos? No, they say and believe it's a year. Their work may be at a different value but the end result is the same annual salary

 

[rjd970]

Have you ever heard a teacher say they only get paid $X amount for 10mos? No, they say and believe it's a year. Their work may be at a different value but the end result is the same annual salary

They don't say it, but that is exactly what is happening if we are to believe bearded vol. Teachers are getting paid more for their time than somebody else making the exact same over a 12-month period.

 

[utvolpj]

FYP

I guess I've just chosen my employers better over the years.

So you're a non-exempt employee?

 

[jaybird_1981]

In addition to several other roles,I'm the site SME on industrial controls systems with 24/7 shifts, I get calls all times of the day sometimes.

That doesn't mean I'm dumb enough to work for free just because someone called me outside of my normal work hours.

Your employer probably wishes you were more intelligent, but the lower quality performance is offset by the fact that you don't mind not getting paid, and you get to tell yourself that doing so is "professional"

I guess that's a win-win?

I think you probably have a terrible work ethic.

 

[82_VOL_83]

You want to cite that with some proof? If your salary is based on 40+ hours, and you agreed to it, that's one thing, but if your salary is based on a 40-hour week with no overtime expectation, and you are putting in more than 40 hours, then you are robbing yourself of compensation.

Anecdotally I've worked a salaried position since I left college, with every position requiring some sort of on-call rotation, and occasional calls outside of normal work hours. Not a single employer has ever failed to compensate me in additional on-call pay or comp time to cover the time worked outside of a 40-hour week; I usually take the comp time.

That's because you don't make enough to be an exempt employee. MOST professionals work more than their allotted paid hours. I know I do all the time and it is expected and uncompensated.

 

[82_VOL_83]

So you're a non-exempt employee?

Beat me to it.

 

[jaybird_1981]

So you're a non-exempt employee?

Good call it makes more sense now.

 

[BeardedVol]

It does change the calculation for rates. If there are two people making $50K per year and one is a teacher then the teacher is actually getting paid a higher rate because they are working 2 months less. So really, when we say a teacher is making $50K per year, they are actually getting paid a higher rate than somebody working 12 months and making the same.

When we bid contracts at my job, we bid hourly rates for our employees. For a 1-year period of performance that equates out to a certain salary. It's just the way I look at it. The teacher and somebody else both making the same per year, I would have to bid the teacher at a higher rate (giving a higher salary) or lower the teacher rate to make the yearly salary come out the same.

Also - I would consider it being paid for 12 months, not 10, if they are keeping benefits over the two months they are not working. They are just choosing to get their paychecks over 10 months.

Average teacher is working 50+ hours/week, with zero overtime. You going to work 50+ hours a week, 40 of those with kids, for $38k/10 months out of college?

 

[allvol123]

FYP

I guess I've just chosen my employers better over the years.

No, you just dont understand being a professional.

And you just made some determination on my employers, not knowing any of them.

 

[allvol123]

Average teacher is working 50+ hours/week, with zero overtime. You going to work 50+ hours a week, 40 of those with kids, for $38k/10 months out of college?

I have teachers in my immediate family.

They dont cry like you.

 

[hUTch2002]

I'm a little lucky because I can do 90% of my job from home, but it is frustrating with all the issues we are having doing this virtually. I can't tell you how many times we are in a chat with the teacher asking how to turn in assignments, get access to stuff, downloading past the firewall, etc...and the only response we get is "we are working through the technical difficulties". I mean they had 2 full months to prepare and plan this Summer, and even longer if you count last spring. Plus my kid is in middle school where he has a different teacher for every subject and each teacher has their own page with their own processes and organization of files on completing and turning in assignments. And it's only Wednesday of the 1st week.

Sorry man. Hang in there. Surely they’ll get in some kind of rhythm soon.