Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[kiddiedoc]

I can assure the conversation that, along with most all of my friends/colleagues, I work a good number of unpaid hours every week -- taking after-hours calls, covering the hospital/ER patients, following lab results, communicating with patients, managing my practice/schedule, and reading/research.

I consider those just part of my professional duties. Unlike lawyers, we haven't figured out how to bill for all that 'ish yet.

 

[BeardedVol]

They are paid for 12 months. They may choose to take it in 10 months. Otherwise they would qualify for unemployment for the time they are off.

Nope.

Compensation shall be denied on the basis of such services for any week which commences during a period between two successive academic years or terms if the individual performs such services in the first of the academic years or terms and there is a reasonable assurance that the individual will perform such services in the second of the academic years or terms,
2005 North Carolina Code - :: General Statutes § 96-13. :: Benefit eligibility conditions..

Most states have a similar statute, I think California didn't and there was a lawsuit that went against the teachers trying to file for unemployment..

 

[BeardedVol]

That's because you don't make enough to be an exempt employee. MOST professionals work more than their allotted paid hours. I know I do all the time and it is expected and uncompensated.

Lol, I was far beyond technically exempt according to DOL salary requirements my first position out of college; like I said, I've chosen my employers well.

I'm sure employers love the fact that you seem to feel that working without compensation is some sort of badge of honor. I'm glad that mine understand the need for a work-life-balance, and pays me accordingly; each to his own.

 

[newyorkvol]

Average teacher is working 50+ hours/week, with zero overtime. You going to work 50+ hours a week, 40 of those with kids, for $38k/10 months out of college?

I read the article. I guess I’ve always wondered where all the extra hours come from. For instance, our high school goes from 8-230. That’s 6.5 hours and includes a free period and a lunch for the teacher. So to get to 10hrs/day they would have to put in an additional 4hrs/day in work. Then to say that 50hrs is average would mean that there are some who put in even more than that!! I guess my real world experience in seeing the parking lot at 730am at drop off and 5pm for sports pick up tells me those numbers are exaggerated.

 

[Y9 Vol]

I have family in administration for a middle TN school system. The teachers and all salaried employees were, and still are, being paid their full contract amounts.

 

[allvol123]

Lol, I was far beyond technically exempt according to DOL salary requirements my first position out of college; like I said, I've chosen my employers well.

I'm sure employers love the fact that you seem to feel that working without compensation is some sort of badge of honor. I'm glad that mine understand the need for a work-life-balance, and pays me accordingly; each to his own.

So you're on the taxpayer dole?

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I can assure the conversation that, along with most all of my friends/colleagues, I work a good number of unpaid hours every week -- taking after-hours calls, covering the hospital/ER patients, following lab results, communicating with patients, managing my practice/schedule, and reading/research.

I consider those just part of my professional duties. Unlike lawyers, we haven't figured out how to bill for all that 'ish yet.

Well you don't share the same opinion with a certain someone so your situation won't matter lol nor will anyone else's.

Here's the thing, teachers haven't really had to plan sh!t their school districts and administrators have had to do most of the work while the teachers scream people are going to die. Planning a few weeks ahead is nothing new and they knew the salary, etc before going to college.

 

[BeardedVol]

I read the article. I guess I’ve always wondered where all the extra hours come from. For instance, our high school goes from 8-230. That’s 6.5 hours and includes a free period and a lunch for the teacher. So to get to 10hrs/day they would have to put in an additional 4hrs/day in work. Then to say that 50hrs is average would mean that there are some who put in even more than that!! I guess my real world experience in seeing the parking lot at 730am at drop off and 5pm for sports pick up tells me those numbers are exaggerated.

So you hang out in the teacher parking lot on a regular basis checking to see how many cars are there at a given time? That's pretty bizarre.

I don't know of any teacher that leaves when the kids leave, and I don't know of any that get on site at the same time as the kids. I also don't know any that don't work at home after school and on the weekends during the school year as well.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Average teacher is working 50+ hours/week, with zero overtime. You going to work 50+ hours a week, 40 of those with kids, for $38k/10 months out of college?

Who forced them to go to college and become a teacher? Teachers should probably make more than they do but if a person is looking to make more money than 38k perhaps they should have chosen a different career?

 

[newyorkvol]

So you hang out in the teacher parking lot on a regular basis checking to see how many cars are there at a given time? That's pretty bizarre.

I don't know of any teacher that leaves when the kids leave, and I don't know of any that get on site at the same time as the kids. I also don't know any that don't work at home after school and on the weekends during the school year as well.

You have serious comprehension problems.

 

[BeardedVol]

So you're on the taxpayer dole?

Only in the relatively brief time I worked for the Federal Judiciary; that was awhile ago. The pay and benefits were fine, the work was just too boring for me.

 

[rjd970]

Average teacher is working 50+ hours/week, with zero overtime. You going to work 50+ hours a week, 40 of those with kids, for $38k/10 months out of college?

I work 11-hours over 40 on a normal week. It's just expected.

And no, I'm not going to do that for $38k/10 months (or as the rest of the world calls it, $45k/yr). But then again, I didn't go to school to be a teacher. Let's be honest, it isn't like any of this was a surprise or they were sold a bill of goods while they were studying to be teachers.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

How are you a salary employee and able to charge for more than 40-hours worked? At that point you are hourly, by definition. Sounds like your employer is stupid or you don't understand.

Or he's FOS

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Tennessee Officials Wanted To Make Monthly 'Well-Being' Inspections of Every Child in the State

If Bill Lee had any hand in this besides killing the plan, he needs to be recalled ASAP.

"Although well-intentioned, we have missed the mark on communication and providing clarity around or role in supporting at-risk students during an unprecedented time," Schwinn wrote in a letter to the state's General Assembly. "Governor Lee has asked our department to remove this guidance and go back to the drawing board so we get it right. I want to assure you that we recognize the concerns that you and your constituents share."

The road to hell...

 

[0nelilreb]

Or he's FOS

Boy do I have a few jobs in mind that he would quit the first week . LOL

 

[BeardedVol]

How are you a salary employee and able to charge for more than 40-hours worked? At that point you are hourly, by definition. Sounds like your employer is stupid or you don't understand.

Payroll has a list of our on-call rotation, at the end of on-call we get an email reminder to notify payroll if we didn't work all of our full week of on-call, otherwise on-call pay will be applied on the next paycheck.

For after hours work we log what we call OOB hours. Once a quarter, those hours are tallied, and any that were not taken in the form of comp time are paid in the same fashion that our on-call pay is applied.

 

[VolnJC]

It's the new normal
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/19/cor...fore-students-return-to-normal-schooling.html

 

[BeardedVol]

No, you just dont understand being a professional.

And you just made some determination on my employers, not knowing any of them.

That's the first time I've heard that "willing to work for no compensation" was indicator of professionalism.

See the difference between my employer and yours, is that my employer understands that yes, there is a need for me to be reasonably available outside of my normal office hours, but that availability should and does have a price that they are willing to compensate me for because they understand the burden of me providing those services.

It's quite simple really, my company values us and the work we do accordingly.

 

[Y9 Vol]

It's the new normal
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/19/cor...fore-students-return-to-normal-schooling.html

Funny how this comes right after Jill proudly told, the few that were listening last night..."elect Joe and the schools WILL re-open" and "all will be happy again".

 

[allvol123]

That's the first time I've heard that "willing to work for no compensation" was indicator of professionalism.

See the difference between my employer and yours, is that my employer understands that yes, there is a need for me to be reasonably available outside of my normal office hours, but that availability should and does have a price that they are willing to compensate me for because they understand the burden of me providing those services.

It's quite simple really, my company values us and the work we do accordingly.

Another determination of my arrangement without even knowing it.

This is as ignorant as when you didnt understand mortality rate.

 

[BeardedVol]

Another determination of my arrangement without even knowing it.

This is as ignorant as when you didnt understand mortality rate.

I know all I need to, you believe that being a "professional" means working whatever hours you need to regardless of compensation because you are a salaried employee. I do not see providing compensation-free services as "professional",and neither does my current or any former employer.

Still waiting on your Alternative Math ™ btw.

 

[LouderVol]

Again... You need to research how the CDC estimates seasonal influenza infections and deaths. I literally gave you the link to their page describing how they do so, and the link to the published 2018-2019 numbers.

And I linked the actual number of positive tests. Couldnt find the actual number of dead. But again you are proving my point.

The Covid numbers arent estimates.
If you use the flu numbers that arent estimates it looks a lot worse than the estimates you quoted.

Everyone is treating covid differently than any other disease we have ever tracked. And they are doing so in a way that makes it look way worse compared to other diseases.

 

[LouderVol]

Right - and that isn’t to argue that the 3% or whatever you get that way (in my phone so I can’t easily pull up those files) is the right IFR for flu. It absolutely isn’t. But likewise, the CFR that was thrown around for CV for so long (2-3%) was also very flawed. We know we are missing many many cases. And while we may also be missing some deaths - the missed cases far outweighs it.

The gap between the calculated CFR and modeled sFR for flu is likely larger than the gap between the CFR and the iFR for CV because we are recording more CV tests and have a higher capture rate. But it still a nice illustration of the flaws of extending CFRs to talk about mortality.

I agree with bearded that H1N1 had an incredibly low fatality rate and there is no way CV ends up nearly that low.

On the last you are also agreeing with me. I have already said in this conversation that it's the worst I have seen. And I had H1N1, never been sicker.

I was pointing out the fallacy of flu projections vs Covid actual* numbers.

 

[0nelilreb]

I know all I need to, you believe that being a "professional" means working whatever hours you need to regardless of compensation because you are a salaried employee. I do not see providing compensation-free services as "professional",and neither does my current or any former employer.

Still waiting on your Alternative Math ™ btw.

You need to get out more of you don’t think that putting in the extra to get a job done is considered by employers / employees/ professionals what is done everyday in this country . We can discuss the semantics of overall pay based on what you do for a living if you’d like , but most professionals I know put in extra hours to make sure their job is completed . I believe that’s what he’s talking about and what separates a lot of “professionals “ from the i’ll get paid for every single thing I do or I’ll quit people .

 

[allvol123]

I know all I need to, you believe that being a "professional" means working whatever hours you need to regardless of compensation because you are a salaried employee. I do not see providing compensation-free services as "professional",and neither does my current or any former employer.

Still waiting on your Alternative Math ™ btw.

No, I believe you agree to a deal up front and as a professional you can leave it if you find it to no longer be what you want. Until then, be a professional. As I am not looking for another employer then it means I am quite happy with my arrangment.

According to your math, the UK has a mortality rate of greater than 10%. Your moronic method of calculating mortality rate produces vastly different results dependent upon the aggressiveness or lack thereof concerning testing. Educate yourself a little.