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[LouderVol]

Statistician: Lockdowns Don't Work Because They Force People To Congregate In Fewer Places | ZeroHedge

I brought this up early on.

You can do 1 of 2 things without spending bucket loads of money.

1. You can do the "lock down" method, where you decrease the risk of contracting the disease, but increase the severity of it when you do.

Or 2, you can do the dispersal method, where you are more often exposed to less severe levels of the disease.

In the built world we are taught that option 2 is the go to everywhere except for specific controlled cases where you spend money to do 1 as "safe rooms", or patient rooms.

 

[evillawyer]

Apples and oranges. Herd immunity is about whether people are getting infected, not whether they're dying. The NYC neighborhoods with the highest antibody rates in the spring (Corona, for example, which tested out at over 50% with antibodies) are the ones with the highest infection rates now, showing that herd immunity was not obtained. Death rates are also declining in the City because (1) much of the low hanging fruit was already picked, and (2) better therapeutics.

NYC certainly does appear to have reached the point where a good portion of their population is protected.

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Sweden is seeing a similar trend (certainly not worse) to just about every developed/Western nation during respiratory season.

 

[SmokeyDog1973]

They keep saying that all the while saying they don’t know much about it and that it doesn’t seem any deadlier.

Anyone else think that these new variants are more recent releases by China?

I absolutely do. And it was very convenient timing with the vaccines being rolled out. Very convenient. I’ve been saying China is working on something else even more deadlier than covid 19. I think Covid 19 got out too soon before it was perfected. Just imagine this virus with a death rate similar to Ebola or smallpox pre vaccine or TB. We would easily have 5 million or more dead in the US by now. China has been suspiciously quiet the last few months over Covid while Times Square in New York and other big cities looked like ghost towns in the US on New Year’s Eve there were throngs of people in the streets of Wuhan and Beijing celebrating New Years.

 

[LouderVol]

Apples and oranges. Herd immunity is about whether people are getting infected, not whether they're dying. The NYC neighborhoods with the highest antibody rates in the spring (Corona, for example, which tested out at over 50% with antibodies) are the ones with the highest infection rates now, showing that herd immunity was not obtained. Death rates are also declining in the City because (1) much of the low hanging fruit was already picked, and (2) better therapeutics.

Not necessarily. Herd immunity doesnt mean that Covid cells no longer enter your body. Those with the vaccine, natural immunity, or built immunity, can still "get Covid". They just will/should be able to fight it off. Ideally before they get to the point of spreading it.

I dont know what that critical point is on level of infection and how the various possible immunities impacts it, but I doubt you do either.

 

[SmokeyDog1973]

Out of curiosity guys if it was ever proven without a doubt that China deliberately let this virus out to harm the rest of the world most importantly the United States what would be done to them?

 

[AshG]

Statistician: Lockdowns Don't Work Because They Force People To Congregate In Fewer Places | ZeroHedge

Interesting article. The rhetoric is a little rich and the assertion that the individual can do no wrong and all issues come from the top is laughable.

I agree with his premise. Just not the route he takes to get there.

 

[evillawyer]

Not necessarily. Herd immunity doesnt mean that Covid cells no longer enter your body. Those with the vaccine, natural immunity, or built immunity, can still "get Covid". They just will/should be able to fight it off. Ideally before they get to the point of spreading it.

I dont know what that critical point is on level of infection and how the various possible immunities impacts it, but I doubt you do either.

It sure as hell ain't 20%, which a lot of right wingers we claiming this summer based on the declines seen in NYC and Sweden.

 

[AshG]

Not necessarily. Herd immunity doesnt mean that Covid cells no longer enter your body. Those with the vaccine, natural immunity, or built immunity, can still "get Covid". They just will/should be able to fight it off. Ideally before they get to the point of spreading it.

I dont know what that critical point is on level of infection and how the various possible immunities impacts it, but I doubt you do either.

One of the concerns with Covid is that the body loses its immunity rapidly for some reason. That means herd immunity will eventually wear off.

This is a nasty little bugger that's going to take a lot of research to crack.

 

[chatsworth_vol]

Out of curiosity guys if it was ever proven without a doubt that China deliberately let this virus out to harm the rest of the world most importantly the United States what would be done to them?

Good question and I'm glad I don't have to make the call. Unofficially US policy on WMD has been simple a germ is a chemical is a nuke. All WMD are equal and one equals another and calls for response in kind. We no longer practice/plan on USING biological/ chemical warfare, our only response is a nuke. That sounds great in theory to a sudden violent attack, but a slow burn gradually worsened thing like this? I dunno. Against anybody else I'd say it's a good chance we at least level the place/remove their ability to continue. But China, a fellow nuclear armed superpower with over a billion people? I don't know what realistic options there are besides the typical bs sanctions and such.

 

[hog88]

Out of curiosity guys if it was ever proven without a doubt that China deliberately let this virus out to harm the rest of the world most importantly the United States what would be done to them?

Nothing will be done. China owns way too many western politicians and bureaucrats.

 

[SmokeyDog1973]

Good question and I'm glad I don't have to make the call. Unofficially US policy on WMD has been simple a germ is a chemical is a nuke. All WMD are equal and one equals another and calls for response in kind. We no longer practice/plan on USING biological/ chemical warfare, our only response is a nuke. That sounds great in theory to a sudden violent attack, but a slow burn gradually worsened thing like this? I dunno. Against anybody else I'd say it's a good chance we at least level the place/remove their ability to continue. But China, a fellow nuclear armed superpower with over a billion people? I don't know what realistic options there are besides the typical bs sanctions and such.

Yea that’s what I figured nothing really would be done maybe some mild sanctions and that’s about it. Pretty sure China could roll into the US tomm with military tanks and planes and we wouldn’t do anything but submit without putting up a fight.

 

[MG1968]

Yea that’s what I figured nothing really would be done maybe some mild sanctions and that’s about it. Pretty sure China could roll into the US tomm with military tanks and planes and we wouldn’t do anything but submit without putting up a fight.

Maybe true, but once they left the safety of the west coast, they’d get their clocks cleaned.

 

[LouderVol]

One of the concerns with Covid is that the body loses its immunity rapidly for some reason. That means herd immunity will eventually wear off.

This is a nasty little bugger that's going to take a lot of research to crack.

A vaccine is going to have the same limitations and natural immunity.

 

[508mikey]

Government at its finest How is COVID-19 vaccine distribution going? The scene in Wisconsin is 'bizarre, disorganized'

 

[headhunter15]

 

[newyorkvol]

I Felt Fine, But Tested Positive For The Coronavirus. What's That Really Mean?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

So what if they taped the doors on your apartment or sent you to a camp if you got caught outside or made a social media post about the virus or? You're alive, right? And that's all that matters.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Apples and oranges. Herd immunity is about whether people are getting infected, not whether they're dying. The NYC neighborhoods with the highest antibody rates in the spring (Corona, for example, which tested out at over 50% with antibodies) are the ones with the highest infection rates now, showing that herd immunity was not obtained. Death rates are also declining in the City because (1) much of the low hanging fruit was already picked, and (2) better therapeutics.

You're a lost cause.

If you can't look at that graph and tell that the disease burden is a fraction of what it was in the spring/early summer peak in NYC, I'm not sure how to help you. Yes, we are a little better with therapeutics, but not nearly enough to explain a difference of twenty-fold in terms of death rate.

What you are seeing in NYC is an expected winter increase in viral transmission amongst the smaller remaining susceptible population and a dramatic increase in testing numbers.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Crazy stuff happening with this latest version of a corona virus.

The big question is: Why is this Trump's fault and was it used to hack Jeff Bezo's phone?

I kid, I kid.

Your thoughts on the Chinese containment approach and would it fly in the good ole USA?

Coronavirus outbreak: Latest news and live updates - CNN

Hard to believe this is almost a year old

 

[GSD82]

Hard to believe this is almost a year old

Well he was spot on when he asked "The big question is: Why is this Trump's fault"

 

[davethevol]

I Felt Fine, But Tested Positive For The Coronavirus. What's That Really Mean?

Outside of being really tired, I didn’t feel very sick when I had it. No congestion, joint aches for 1 day and that was it.

 

[DrRosenRosen]

Welcome to 2021: We tried the non-confrontational approach, but the school denied my son's class change request. Now, I had to write a note explaining that we would not be subjecting him to the absurdity of wearing a mask with a hole in it so he can play the saxophone.

Watched this guy play for 20 minutes warming up the crowd before the killer whale show at SeaWorld last month. Wife and I laughed a good bit. No one within 50 feet of the guy, if that.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

 

[Volgolfer1618]

Doctors For Truth: Tens Of Thousands Medical Professionals Suing And Calling For End To COVID Tyranny

 

[Volgolfer1618]

Apples and oranges. Herd immunity is about whether people are getting infected, not whether they're dying. The NYC neighborhoods with the highest antibody rates in the spring (Corona, for example, which tested out at over 50% with antibodies) are the ones with the highest infection rates now, showing that herd immunity was not obtained. Death rates are also declining in the City because (1) much of the low hanging fruit was already picked, and (2) better therapeutics.

Covid is just a different type of flu. Thats all it is. Every flu death is marked up as a covid death whether accurate or not. No one has the regular flu, its all considered covid.