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volinbham said:
Also EL - why isn't NYC showing this "bump" in cases? The data shows a steady decline in case positivity over the last 2 weeks and as I posted earlier all the trends in NYC are down for the last 7 days compared to the weekly average over the prior 4 week period.

Cases are down in the last week 7% compared to the prior 4-week average; Case positivity down 13%; Hospitalizations down 27%. No bump.
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Roughly 1/3 of Americans have received at least 1 dose of the vaccines. I'd say that has a pretty large affect on the spread of the virus.
 
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evillawyer said:
Apropos the discussion yesterday.
COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?
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I love it. Article reason number 1 is that “Maybe” Americans are behaving. Then they cite an opinion of some guy and some mobility data that people travelled less the weeks after the holidays. Astounding.

The #1 reason, based solely on subjective interpretation of observational data, is then followed by three objectively proven points...it’s seasonal, more people have natural immunity and more people have vaccinations.

So, based on the science, it’s because we’re wearing masks.
 
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evillawyer said:
Who are the reputable scientists saying the most recent drop is primarily explained by herd immunity. I'll wait.
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You are arguing with someone on the front line with a decade plus of education in medicine, who also discusses with others, who are also exceptionally educated in the field. This argument isn't going the way you think it's going which is why you're alone in it.
 
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evillawyer said:
Who are the reputable scientists saying the most recent drop is primarily explained by herd immunity? I'll wait.

N.B. The local pediatrician doesn't count.
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If I take the time to share academic papers with you, you send us all Vox articles. Do your own searches.
 
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newyorkvol said:
I love it. Article reason number 1 is that “Maybe” Americans are behaving. Then they cite an opinion of some guy and some mobility data that people travelled less the weeks after the holidays. Astounding.

The #1 reason, based solely on subjective interpretation of observational data, is then followed by three objectively proven points...it’s seasonal, more people have natural immunity and more people have vaccinations.

So, based on the science, it’s because we’re wearing masks.
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The first reason can't be applied to FL and what we're able to do. There are very few restrictions and have been for a long time. Restaurants, stores, schools (and buses), locker rooms and dugouts are full of people moving along with life. Funny how those locked away in their fear-filled metropolis just can't understand how that works.

2- been said all along for a respiratory virus
3- herd immunity? 😟
4- thank Trump for the rush
 
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evillawyer said:
Apropos the discussion yesterday.
COVID-19 Cases Are Dropping Fast. Why?
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What an absolutely piece of crap of an article.

Behavior? HILARIOUS. Leave your house and open your eyes.

Seasonality? The moron even stated that CVs peak in Jan and Feb, which is exactly the period that we have documented a remarkable drop in cases.

"Nothing is herd immunity, really." So, he's rewriting immunology/epidemiology? Why the underline? To convince everyone that we can no longer handle any infection like humans have for thousands of years? Heck, even the ultra-cautious Chief of Staff at my local Children's hospital has been discussing HI as the explanation for the stark improvement in our situation.

Go on, continue to disparage me and anyone else with actual medical experience who refuses to stay scared and hunkered down for an eternity. Like I said, I'm done.

I'll leave the credentials of your esteemed Infectious Disease authority in closing:

DEREK THOMPSON is a staff writer at The Atlantic, where he writes about economics, technology, and the media. He is the author of Hit Makers and the host of the podcast Crazy/Genius.
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newyorkvol said:
I love it. Article reason number 1 is that “Maybe” Americans are behaving. Then they cite an opinion of some guy and some mobility data that people travelled less the weeks after the holidays. Astounding.

The #1 reason, based solely on subjective interpretation of observational data, is then followed by three objectively proven points...it’s seasonal, more people have natural immunity and more people have vaccinations.

So, based on the science, it’s because we’re wearing masks.
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I couldn't help but chuckle while watching my daughter at gymnastics yesterday:

Huge packed warehouse gym of kids, none in masks, group of parents watching and talking, few in masks/pulling them down to talk and drink, and the instructors either had their masks on their chins or in their hands 50% of the time. Thought to myself "somebody actually thinks that's helping."

Guess I found my someone!
 
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kiddiedoc said:
What an absolutely piece of crap of an article.

Behavior? HILARIOUS. Leave your house and open your eyes.

Seasonality? The moron even stated that CVs peak in Jan and Feb, which is exactly the period that we have documented a remarkable drop in cases.

"Nothing is herd immunity, really." So, he's rewriting immunology/epidemiology? Why the underline? To convince everyone that we can no longer handle any infection like humans have for thousands of years? Heck, even the ultra-cautious Chief of Staff at my local Children's hospital has been discussing HI as the explanation for the stark improvement in our situation.

Go on, continue to disparage me and anyone else with actual medical experience who refuses to stay scared and hunkered down for an eternity. Like I said, I'm done.

I'll leave the credentials of your esteemed Infectious Disease authority in closing:
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Our friend discarded economic studies from actual educated economists in one thread, yet holds the opinion of a 'staff writer' (read: mid-level bum) who writes about economics at The Atlantic as gospel. It's very weird.
 
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ButchPlz said:
If I take the time to share academic papers with you, you send us all Vox articles. Do your own searches.
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So in other words you got nothing.

Like I said, I'm just looking for reputable scientists, based on evidence, saying that the precipitous drop we've seen in the US in 2021 is primarily explained by the fact that a significantly large portion of the US population has immunity (either by vaccine or prior infection or otherwise). No one is arguing that some portion of the population having some form of immunity is not A FACTOR, but I'm looking for someone claiming the drop is primarily explained by such immunity.

So please provide.
 
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evillawyer said:
I know you guys hate the resident lib, but the experts have also started to voice concerns that another bump in cases in coming
COVID news: Infections inch up; variant cases set record; J& J vaccine
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If you read something like "cases inch up" do you just instinctively believe it or do you fact check? Here's the truth: Cases are not inching up. The 7 day avg for our country has gone down the past 4 straight days. It's now at 68,644. The number from yesterday was well below that, 53,147. The day before we reported 49,412 cases. In January we were above 250K/day. Our 7 day average is lower than it's been in months.

United States Coronavirus: 29,314,254 Cases and 527,226 Deaths - Worldometer

Try to keep up...
 
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evillawyer said:
So in other words you got nothing.

Like I said, I'm just looking for reputable scientists, based on evidence, saying that the precipitous drop we've seen in the US in 2021 is primarily explained by the fact that a significantly large portion of the US population has immunity (either by vaccine or prior infection or otherwise). No one is arguing that some portion of the population having some form of immunity is not A FACTOR, but I'm looking for someone claiming the drop is primarily explained by such immunity.

So please provide.
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And again I'll reiterate that there's zero point in me digging something up for someone that's going to ignore the science in favor of a tweet from Vox. Like most everyone else has started to say, your lame game is exhausting and you're not worth the time.
 
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ButchPlz said:
And again I'll reiterate that there's zero point in me digging something up for someone that's going to ignore the science in favor of a tweet from Vox. Like most everyone else has started to say, your lame game is exhausting and you're not worth the time.
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Typical republican. Scared of facts.
 
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evillawyer said:
So in other words you got nothing.

Like I said, I'm just looking for reputable scientists, based on evidence, saying that the precipitous drop we've seen in the US in 2021 is primarily explained by the fact that a significantly large portion of the US population has immunity (either by vaccine or prior infection or otherwise). No one is arguing that some portion of the population having some form of immunity is not A FACTOR, but I'm looking for someone claiming the drop is primarily explained by such immunity.

So please provide.
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Where have you been? Many articles have been posted on this very site explaining how the drop is due to immunity and how other explanations just don't cut it. Here's the most recent from a professor at Stanford:

Herd immunity, vaccines, masks and distancing could end COVID pandemic

Do your homework and do better at keeping up. We shouldn't have to repeat post these things for your remedial mind
 
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