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Couple of points on human to human spread outside of China:

The Germany cases all worked at the same company. The woman from China infected 3 others so now 4.
Japan has its 2nd case of H2H spread. A woman that was on the same bus as a tour guide as the bus driver is now sick. Both the tour guide & bus driver never visited Wuhan.
 
To be fair, there is some research out there saying the virus didn't start there after all.
Yea I saw an article, VOX I think, saying the first cases never went to that market.

The researchers reviewed the clinical charts, nursing records, lab findings, and chest X-rays of the first 41 patients who had confirmed 2019-nCoV infections. Among other things, they reported that the first case of 2019-nCoV wasn’t even linked to the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market at the center of the outbreak.....

As you can see from this Lancet chart, by the time China alerted the world about the outbreak, on December 31, there were already numerous cases detected with no connection to the Huanan market. All told, as of January 2, two days after China’s first report on the outbreak, 27 of 41 patients had been exposed to the seafood market, meaning more than a third of patients hadn’t.

Even more intriguing, the first known patient — represented in the blue bar on the left in this graph — also had no market exposure. And that person became ill on December 1, nearly two weeks earlier than Wuhan health authorities had suggested about the first case. The study also reports, “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases.” So not only did a sizable portion of the early cases have no market link, the first known patient didn’t either — and no one knows how that person became infected.

found it.

Did China downplay the coronavirus outbreak early on?
 
Damn...just damn. No symptoms, testing positive for virus.



The CDC is still saying that hasn't been verified but a lot of Chinese sources are saying this and I think the Germany case also showed this.
 
The CDC is still saying that hasn't been verified but a lot of Chinese sources are saying this and I think the Germany case also showed this.

Yea, this is why I’ve been advocating folks to look at various sources and parse the information to find commonality in worldwide medical/scientific data to get a broader picture.

I’m not overly enthusiastic about containment with what I’m seeing from sources around the world at this point but I still think it’s to early to get a solid read on this virus since the CCP data can’t be fully trusted. The next week or so will start providing some clarity.

From the start, it’s been the asymptomatic contagious incubation period that has had my attention. Consider how contagious the flu is with an R0 in the mid 1 level and this virus is showing an R0 estimate of mid 2 or higher.

I’m treating it just as if I’d have been told there’s a possibility a natural disaster could occur in the next several weeks. I’m fully prepared, if conditions dictate, to hunker down in place for a long time.
 
From the start, it’s been the asymptomatic contagious incubation period that has had my attention. Consider how contagious the flu is with an R0 in the mid 1 level and this virus is showing an R0 estimate of mid 2 or higher.

But when they come up with that number what factors do they take into consideration? That number might be much lower if they're not considering:

Just days before the entire city was quarantined, Wuhan hosted a major banquet involving 40,000 families to try to set a world record, The Times reported.

China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists

As the National Health Commission team came to Wuhan to investigate on Jan. 19, tens of thousands of people tucked into a mass banquet of 13,986 dishes contributed from neighborhood families. Pictures in state media showed nobody wearing masks while they shared rice cakes, fish, and other Lunar New Year delicacies.

Even after the head of the team announced that the virus could spread from person to person, and the number of reported cases began soaring, crowds of pedestrians thronged the streets of Wuhan early last week.

Wuhan officials face questions, anger over virus response
 
Yea, this is why I’ve been advocating folks to look at various sources and parse the information to find commonality in worldwide medical/scientific data to get a broader picture.

I’m not overly enthusiastic about containment with what I’m seeing from sources around the world at this point but I still think it’s to early to get a solid read on this virus since the CCP data can’t be fully trusted. The next week or so will start providing some clarity.

From the start, it’s been the asymptomatic contagious incubation period that has had my attention. Consider how contagious the flu is with an R0 in the mid 1 level and this virus is showing an R0 estimate of mid 2 or higher.

I’m treating it just as if I’d have been told there’s a possibility a natural disaster could occur in the next several weeks. I’m fully prepared, if conditions dictate, to hunker down in place for a long time.

So the German case the woman infected one person while asymptotic, than the man infected another 3 people while not showing symptoms. So four people never set foot in China.

Finland now reporting its first case who is a tourist from China. Also the WHO is going to have a meeting of its emergency committee tomorrow. Won't be surprised if they don't declare this finally a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC).
 
Who? Where?

Is this Infowars caliber research?

No. Actual research..

Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November 2019—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan—and perhaps elsewhere—before the cluster of cases from the city’s now-infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.
 

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