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Here's a good article for those of you that think we should "follow the science" or that "the science is settled":

Seven times the medical establishment got it wrong

I also read somewhere that, towards the beginning of xray usage, it was common practice to xray pregnant women frequently. A medical professional (or scientist?) wrote a paper stating the dangers to the fetus and was ostracized by the medical establishment. 25 years later they discovered the individual was right and had to stop the practice. Unfortunately, I can't find the link anymore. I see tons of application for today from this and the examples in the link.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
Here's a good article for those of you that think we should "follow the science" or that "the science is settled":

Seven times the medical establishment got it wrong

I also read somewhere that, towards the beginning of xray usage, it was common practice to xray pregnant women frequently. A medical professional (or scientist?) wrote a paper stating the dangers to the fetus and was ostracized by the medical establishment. 25 years later they discovered the individual was right and had to stop the practice. Unfortunately, I can't find the link anymore. I see tons of application for today from this and the examples in the link.
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I read that list and immediately thought, "that's it?" Seems to me that the medical community does a damn good job at using empirical based research and recommending what it best based on the information at hand.
 
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Septic said:
I read that list and immediately thought, "that's it?" Seems to me that the medical community does a damn good job at using empirical based research and recommending what it best based on the information at hand.
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I guess millions dying from lung cancer or 80,000 babies dying prebirth from Thalidomide poisoning isn't much. I'm sure the intent of the article was not to be exhaustive. Point is, nothing is ever "settled" with science. Good science welcomes challenges to the status quo, uses peer reviewed, clinical testing that is repeatable (which I'd love to see reports for mask tests and "6 feet" social distancing). What we see today is, "agree with mainstream narrative or face censorship".
 
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SlingBlayde said:
I guess millions dying from lung cancer or 80,000 babies dying prebirth from Thalidomide poisoning isn't much. I'm sure the intent of the article was not to be exhaustive. Point is, nothing is ever "settled" with science. Good science welcomes challenges to the status quo, uses peer reviewed, clinical testing that is repeatable (which I'd love to see reports for mask tests and "6 feet" social distancing). What we see today is, "agree with mainstream narrative or face censorship".
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I agree with the bolded and don't really understand you're squabble and need to point out that the Dr's of the 30's didn't have a handle on cigarettes.

Are you suggesting that the physicians today who are dealing with a novel virus that blew up into a global pandemic aren't allowed to have a learning curve?

Unwittingly, you're bitching about the very thing you're advocating for. Things change, quickly in some cases based on available data. It would appear as if your rant is misguided at the medical community when really you just want to shout about "narratives and censorship."
 
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Septic said:
I agree with the bolded and don't really understand you're squabble and need to point out that the Dr's of the 30's didn't have a handle on cigarettes.

Are you suggesting that the physicians today who are dealing with a novel virus that blew up into a global pandemic aren't allowed to have a learning curve?

Unwittingly, you're bitching about the very thing you're advocating for. Things change, quickly in some cases based on available data. It would appear as if your rant is misguided at the medical community when really you just want to shout about "narratives and censorship."
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I'm advocating for all voices to be heard whether they agree with the "science" or not. Not removed or flagged for "misinformation" as Jen Psaki recently stated. "We the people" should do our own research and decide. Simple as that.
 
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SlingBlayde said:
I'm advocating for all voices to be heard whether they agree with the "science" or not. Not removed or flagged for "misinformation" as Jen Psaki recently stated. "We the people" should do our own research and decide. Simple as that.
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I don't get it. Perhaps twitter and other social media has warped people's brains but I can't be the only one who doesn't think everyone should have a voice. Willy the partisan hack, whose only qualification was having an email address in order to sign up for twitter shouldn't get to have a voice that shapes what society believes are empirical data driven medical best practices. Nor should the hosts of partisan opinion shows who in some cases ae looking to sew enough disinformation as to keep the sh*t storm alive until the next election cycle.

So yeah, sorry - I don't agree that all voices are worthy of being "heard." It may be an unpopular opinion but I've seen enough of the cross section of the right and the left to know that some people don't have an opinion worth hearing.
 
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Septic said:
I don't get it. Perhaps twitter and other social media has warped people's brains but I can't be the only one who doesn't think everyone should have a voice. Willy the partisan hack, whose only qualification was having an email address in order to sign up for twitter shouldn't get to have a voice that shapes what society believes are empirical data driven medical best practices. Nor should the hosts of partisan opinion shows who in some cases ae looking to sew enough disinformation as to keep the sh*t storm alive until the next election cycle.

So yeah, sorry - I don't agree that all voices are worthy of being "heard." It may be an unpopular opinion but I've seen enough of the cross section of the right and the left to know that some people don't have an opinion worth hearing.
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...Nevermind...:)
 
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Septic said:
So yeah, sorry - I don't agree that all voices are worthy of being "heard." It may be an unpopular opinion but I've seen enough of the cross section of the right and the left to know that some people don't have an opinion worth hearing.
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I don't think your opinion is worth hearing on this subject LOL
 
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Septic said:
I don't get it. Perhaps twitter and other social media has warped people's brains but I can't be the only one who doesn't think everyone should have a voice. Willy the partisan hack, whose only qualification was having an email address in order to sign up for twitter shouldn't get to have a voice that shapes what society believes are empirical data driven medical best practices. Nor should the hosts of partisan opinion shows who in some cases ae looking to sew enough disinformation as to keep the sh*t storm alive until the next election cycle.

So yeah, sorry - I don't agree that all voices are worthy of being "heard." It may be an unpopular opinion but I've seen enough of the cross section of the right and the left to know that some people don't have an opinion worth hearing.
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Who decides what's crap and needs to be removed and what's OK? I want to be on that committee. That's the problem. Censoring theories of a lab leak in Wuhan was commonplace a yr ago. I saw all kinds of Trump Tweets get pulled that were purely political

I don't see any fair, non political way for this stuff to be censored so I think pretty much all of it should be allowed
 
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Sea Ray said:
Who decides what's crap and needs to be removed and what's OK? I want to be on that committee. That's the problem. Censoring theories of a lab leak in Wuhan was commonplace a yr ago. I saw all kinds of Trump Tweets get pulled that were purely political

I don't see any fair, non political way for this stuff to be censored so I think pretty much all of it should be allowed
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No platform can afford to allow everything.
 
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Sea Ray said:
Who decides what's crap and needs to be removed and what's OK? I want to be on that committee. That's the problem. Censoring theories of a lab leak in Wuhan was commonplace a yr ago. I saw all kinds of Trump Tweets get pulled that were purely political

I don't see any fair, non political way for this stuff to be censored so I think pretty much all of it should be allowed
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The business that owns the platform, they get to decide and you agree to it as a part of the ToS.

You don't have to like it but ultimately they have (and should have) the right to filter what goes out under their brand.
 
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Septic said:
The business that owns the platform, they get to decide and you agree to it as a part f the ToS.

You don't have to like it but ultimately they have (and should have) the right to filter what goes out under their brand.
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That lends itself to incredible political abuses. Should AT&T be able to decide who to run a landline to? How 'bout electricity? Can Verizon pull your cell phone? Seems to me that George Soros or someone could put together an awfully powerful coalition
 
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Sea Ray said:
That lends itself to incredible political abuses. Should AT&T be able to decide who to run a landline to? How 'bout electricity? Can Verizon pull your cell phone? Seems to me that George Soros or someone could put together an awfully powerful coalition
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I don't think it's fair to conflate what are largely public utilities with private business that provide platforms for the dissemination of thoughts and ideas. As has been discussed at nauseum the idea here is that if you don't like what the platform is doing, don't reward that business with your patronage. Businesses that don't conform to the will of the masses risk folding, it's how capitalism works.
 
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Septic said:
I don't think it's fair to conflate what are largely public utilities with private business that provide platforms for the dissemination of thoughts and ideas. As has been discussed at nauseum the idea here is that if you don't like what the platform is doing, don't reward that business with your patronage. Businesses that don't conform to the will of the masses risk folding, it's how capitalism works.
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Maybe not utility but the idea of them becoming a public square is an interesting discussion. That would absolutely involve the 1a
 
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