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[AshG]

Oh boy. Motion claims there is no public health emergency.

The crew behind this is an interesting lot. The opposition lawyers are going to be licking their chops for the opportunity to release the opinions of former co-workers, supervisors, subordinates, and medical school faculty.

 

[McDad]

Unfortunately, the "my private business, my rules" principle isn't what's taking place in the USA:

Oregon Bakery Closes Over Owners' Refusal to Serve Gay Wedding - The New American

The location closed but they are doing business from their home. Those who support homosexual marriage with fervor are using capitalism against the bakery owners. Unfortunately, the state government is investigating as well.

While I appreciate why you are charging at certain windmills, it is obvious conservative voices in media, academia, and entertainment are treated much more harshly than liberal voices, I disagree with the way you're attempting to make your case.

What happened in Oregon is not an indicator there needs to be government involvement in other private enterprise. Especially when that private business has complete authority to do as they wish. Just as the Oregon bakers should have.

 

[MAD]

Yes, this is utter B.S.:



After the work you referenced, Lister's, and Pasteur's discoveries, germ theory became accepted and revolutionized the world of medicine in terms of wound/perioperative infections. Hand hygiene was strongly promoted during infection outbreaks and has been recognized since the early 20th century as important for disease prevention.

Obviously, the history on Semmelweis and Nightingale is accurate.

Here are two more respected and reputable websites telling the history.
National Center for Biotechnology Information websitehttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK144018/
The 1980s represented a landmark in the evolution of concepts of hand hygiene in health care.

From The Global Handwashing Partnership Organization
The Global Handwashing Partnership
It was not until the 1980s, when a string of foodborne outbreaks and healthcare-associated infections led to public concern that the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified hand hygiene as an important way to prevent the spread of infection.

Look, it really doesn’t matter, this is a Covid thread but it just proved to me that every single time you have responded to anything I have said you have discredited it.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Look, it really doesn’t matter, this is a Covid thread but it just proved to me that every single time you have responded to anything I have said you have discredited it.

Well, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

 

[825VOL]

Well, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

That just made me spit out my drink. Well played

 

[volfanhill]

Well, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

Lol well played

 

[MAD]

Well, if I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

One more……
and your YouTube video confirmed what everyone knows people wash their hands but what you called BS was what shown below

 

[SlingBlayde]

The location closed but they are doing business from their home. Those who support homosexual marriage with fervor are using capitalism against the bakery owners. Unfortunately, the state government is investigating as well.

While I appreciate why you are charging at certain windmills, it is obvious conservative voices in media, academia, and entertainment are treated much more harshly than liberal voices, I disagree with the way you're attempting to make your case.

What happened in Oregon is not an indicator there needs to be government involvement in other private enterprise. Especially when that private business has complete authority to do as they wish. Just as the Oregon bakers should have.

Fair enough. You kind of made one of my points. Freedom of speech should have equal volume, whether left of right.

 

[kiddiedoc]

One more……
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DUDE, if you think nobody encouraged hand washing until the government issued an official set of guidelines, I'm not sure how to help you. Explains a lot, though.

 

[MAD]

DUDE, if you think nobody encouraged hand washing until the government issued an official set of guidelines, I'm not sure how to help you. Explains a lot, though.

Your words not what I wrote, guess that’s what you got out of it.

 

[McDad]

Fair enough. You kind of made one of my points. Freedom of speech should have equal volume, whether left of right.

it should. But it should based on market demand and not from a big-government rule.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Your words not what I wrote, guess that’s what you got out of it.

"In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century."

.... Except for the facts that -- during that period -- every operating, delivery room, and medical office in the civilized world adopted universal hand washing and aseptic technique (dramatically improving patient outcomes) and hand washing became standard practice in homes and schools before meals and surrounding bathroom use.

 

[newyorkvol]

Opinion | The Flimsy Evidence Behind the CDC’s Push to Vaccinate Children

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Sums up the past year pretty well

 

[clt_tiger]

Opinion | The Flimsy Evidence Behind the CDC’s Push to Vaccinate Children

“My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.”

This is a good article; however, I don’t subscribe to the WSJ. Could somebody please paraphrase the remainder of this piece? What further data did his team collect or analyze around children and the vaccine?

 

[Orangeburst]

“My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.”

This is a good article; however, I don’t subscribe to the WSJ. Could somebody please paraphrase the remainder of this piece? What further data did his team collect or analyze around children and the vaccine?

I dont either...

Play poltics during early pandemic, get your party in power and demand the vax that your leaders denounced just beacuse Trump was President, and now say everyone must get i, and now Not listen to your doctor? Effin please. As far as I am concerned they brought the reluctance to it themselves. Just like very other poilitical topic.

 

[MAD]

"The Delta variant is different," says Dr. Rick Barr of the Arkansas Children's Health System.

"We have 12 children admitted to the hospital now with Covid... they seem to be much sicker. Most of them are teenagers, and a number of them are in the ICU and have Covid pneumonia."

 

[kiddiedoc]

“My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.”

This is a good article; however, I don’t subscribe to the WSJ. Could somebody please paraphrase the remainder of this piece? What further data did his team collect or analyze around children and the vaccine?

To my knowledge, the only pediatric death in East Tennessee was a child with prior malignancy.

 

[allvol123]

"The Delta variant is different," says Dr. Rick Barr of the Arkansas Children's Health System.

"We have 12 children admitted to the hospital now with Covid... they seem to be much sicker. Most of them are teenagers, and a number of them are in the ICU and have Covid pneumonia."

Quite the professional with "a number of them".

 

[Jxn Vol]

I always find it fascinating to watch folks try to educate other folks that have way more education and work experience in their specialized field. Just an observation.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

 

[newyorkvol]

“My research team at Johns Hopkins worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020. Our report found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.”

This is a good article; however, I don’t subscribe to the WSJ. Could somebody please paraphrase the remainder of this piece? What further data did his team collect or analyze around children and the vaccine?

Google search the article title. Then click on the wsj site. Not sure why but it get you around the paywall.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Quite the professional with "a number of them".

He also used to work for the NIH and made money off clinical trials of Experimental vaccines from big pharm.

 

[ENGRVOL]

Oh boy. Motion claims there is no public health emergency.

Not a lawyer but when your lawsuit claims that covid-19 vaccinations are similar to the torture American POWs suffered during the Korean War don’t think it is going to have any standing. But again not a lawyer.

 

[clt_tiger]

Google search the article title. Then click on the wsj site. Not sure why but it get you around the paywall.

This worked so thanks for the suggestion. He brings up several good points throughout the article around the poor data collected by the CDC and us making decisions based upon that flawed data.

“The CDC’s poor performance isn’t limited to kids or vaccine safety. Early in the pandemic the CDC left us all flying blind by not reporting the medical conditions of those who died of Covid. Collecting this information early would have made it easier to protect nursing-home residents and patients with renal failure or diabetes. It took until March 2021 for the CDC to report that 78% of Covid hospitalizations were among overweight or obese patients.”