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[Sea Ray]

I don't think it's fair to conflate what are largely public utilities with private business that provide platforms for the dissemination of thoughts and ideas. As has been discussed at nauseum the idea here is that if you don't like what the platform is doing, don't reward that business with your patronage. Businesses that don't conform to the will of the masses risk folding, it's how capitalism works.

How do you recommend we get protection from political abuses of this system?

 

[Septic]

How do you recommend we get protection from political abuses of this system?

I don't recommend you get "protection." I don't believe the government should interfere in the private dealings between a consumer and a business.

If you don't like what a company is selling, don't buy it. If enough people agree - the business will be forced to change its practice. If they don't, get your product from somewhere else.

 

[kiddiedoc]

@kiddiedoc is the AAP a liberal group like you believe the AMA is? Or is the science behind the mask wearing appropriate in your opinion?

Unbelievably liberal. They advocate "transitioning" transgender children, advise against pediatricians influencing gender identity at well visits, support minors' right to abortions, and have been heavily involved in recent CRT discussion.

AAP Policy Statement Urges Support and Care of Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2020/06/01/racism060120

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't recommend you get "protection." I don't believe the government should interfere in the private dealings between a consumer and a business.

If you don't like what a company is selling, don't buy it. If enough people agree - the business will be forced to change its practice. If they don't, get your product from somewhere else.

It's a complicated problem and I don't have all the answers. Based on your libertarian view, we'll likely have browsers with a political bend and that's not good. Right now conservatives can't get their message out 'cause Google and MS censor them. That means that conservatives gotta put together something to rival Chrome or Edge. I think it's best if the gov't declares these systems to be public and regulate them like they do the phones but like I say, I don't have all the answers. That's why I asked you.

 

[Septic]

Unbelievably liberal. They advocate "transitioning" transgender children, advise against pediatricians influencing gender identity at well visits, support minors' right to abortions, and have been heavily involved in recent CRT discussion.

AAP Policy Statement Urges Support and Care of Transgender and Gender-Diverse Children and Adolescents

'Dismantle racism at every level’: AAP president

Thanks for the reply - where does the DSM-5 come down on transgender children (gender dysphoria?)?

 

[Septic]

It's a complicated problem and I don't have all the answers. Based on your libertarian view, we'll likely have browsers with a political bend and that's not good. Right now conservatives can't get their message out 'cause Google and MS censor them. That means that conservatives gotta put together something to rival Chrome or Edge. I think it's best if the gov't declares these systems to be public and regulate them like they do the phones but like I say, I don't have all the answers. That's why I asked you.

I think you're confusing media platforms with the tools we use to view the information. Google owns Chrome and Microsoft owns Edge - I don't know how the .gov can regulate that without unfairly telling a business what they can and can't say. Truthfully, I'm barely on the fence on the side of the .gov and protected classes - I'm on it but just a little.

 

[MAD]

It's a complicated problem and I don't have all the answers. Based on your libertarian view, we'll likely have browsers with a political bend and that's not good. Right now conservatives can't get their message out 'cause Google and MS censor them. That means that conservatives gotta put together something to rival Chrome or Edge. I think it's best if the gov't declares these systems to be public and regulate them like they do the phones but like I say, I don't have all the answers. That's why I asked you.

Don’t forget as of yesterday FOX News started encouraging people to get vaccinated. Maybe that gives you some of the answers you are looking for since they are considered to be in favor of conservative political positions.

 

[SlingBlayde]

I don't think it's fair to conflate what are largely public utilities with private business that provide platforms for the dissemination of thoughts and ideas. As has been discussed at nauseum the idea here is that if you don't like what the platform is doing, don't reward that business with your patronage. Businesses that don't conform to the will of the masses risk folding, it's how capitalism works.

Unfortunately, the "my private business, my rules" principle isn't what's taking place in the USA:

Oregon Bakery Closes Over Owners' Refusal to Serve Gay Wedding - The New American

Getting back on topic, more and more evidence is coming out that cheap drugs like HCQ and Ivermectin are good for treating Covid (I can relate personally from family members). Not allowed to say it though because they want everyone to get the jab.

 

[AshG]

Here's a good article for those of you that think we should "follow the science" or that "the science is settled":

Seven times the medical establishment got it wrong

I also read somewhere that, towards the beginning of xray usage, it was common practice to xray pregnant women frequently. A medical professional (or scientist?) wrote a paper stating the dangers to the fetus and was ostracized by the medical establishment. 25 years later they discovered the individual was right and had to stop the practice. Unfortunately, I can't find the link anymore. I see tons of application for today from this and the examples in the link.

Science is never settled, ever.

Science is also not the truth, but the ongoing systematic and documented search for the truth.

 

[VolStrom]

Science is never settled, ever.

Science is also not the truth, but the ongoing systematic and documented search for the truth.

So is common core math settled math? Is 4x4=16 or is it about 15 or about 17? I suppose all three answers are correct, but only one is the correct answer.

 

[AshG]

It's a complicated problem and I don't have all the answers. Based on your libertarian view, we'll likely have browsers with a political bend and that's not good. Right now conservatives can't get their message out 'cause Google and MS censor them. That means that conservatives gotta put together something to rival Chrome or Edge. I think it's best if the gov't declares these systems to be public and regulate them like they do the phones but like I say, I don't have all the answers. That's why I asked you.

I've switched to Brave. Reviewable source code, open platform, built in tracking blocking, and uses TOR routing for private mode browsing. Defaults to DuckDuckGo for search. Multiplatform.

You'll never see government regulation of the rendering engine or the application wrapper; that would be unprecedented and open up all kinds of mess.

 

[AshG]

So is common core math settled math? Is 4x4=16 or is it about 15 or about 17? I suppose all three answers are correct, but only one is the correct answer.

Math is not science. In Base 10, 4x4=16.
Base 16: 4x4=10
Base 8: 4x4=20

 

[MAD]

Science is never settled, ever.

Science is also not the truth, but the ongoing systematic and documented search for the truth.

Here is a good example

Ignaz Semmelweis is known as the father of hand hygiene.

In 1886 Semmelweis imposed a new rule mandating hand washing.
The rates of death in his maternity ward fell dramatically.
This was the first proof that cleansing hands could prevent infection.
However, the innovation was not popular with everyone, some were disgruntled and they stopped washing their hands.
Semmelweis tried to persuade others in European hospitals of the benefits of handwashing, but to no avail.

A few years later in Scutari, Italy, Florence Nightingale implemented handwashing and other hygiene practices in the war hospital in which she worked. Nightingale’s handwashing practices achieved a reduction in infections.

Sadly, the hand hygiene practices promoted by Semmelweis and Nightingale were not widely adopted. In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century. It was not until the 1980s, when a string of foodborne outbreaks and healthcare-associated infections led to public concern that the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified hand hygiene as an important way to prevent the spread of infection. In doing so, they heralded the first nationally endorsed hand hygiene guidelines, and many more have followed.

 

[evillawyer]

Here is a good example

Ignaz Semmelweis is known as the father of hand hygiene.

In 1886 Semmelweis imposed a new rule mandating hand washing.
The rates of death in his maternity ward fell dramatically.
This was the first proof that cleansing hands could prevent infection.
However, the innovation was not popular with everyone, some were disgruntled and they stopped washing their hands.
Semmelweis tried to persuade others in European hospitals of the benefits of handwashing, but to no avail.

A few years later in Scutari, Italy, Florence Nightingale implemented handwashing and other hygiene practices in the war hospital in which she worked. Nightingale’s handwashing practices achieved a reduction in infections.

Sadly, the hand hygiene practices promoted by Semmelweis and Nightingale were not widely adopted. In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century. It was not until the 1980s, when a string of foodborne outbreaks and healthcare-associated infections led to public concern that the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified hand hygiene as an important way to prevent the spread of infection. In doing so, they heralded the first nationally endorsed hand hygiene guidelines, and many more have followed.

Such blatant disregard of HIPAA rights. --- MTG

 

[Orangeburst]

So is common core math settled math? Is 4x4=16 or is it about 15 or about 17? I suppose all three answers are correct, but only one is the correct answer.

All I know is 2x4= $18.28. Thanks Joe

 

[VolStrom]

Here is a good example

Ignaz Semmelweis is known as the father of hand hygiene.

In 1886 Semmelweis imposed a new rule mandating hand washing.
The rates of death in his maternity ward fell dramatically.
This was the first proof that cleansing hands could prevent infection.
However, the innovation was not popular with everyone, some were disgruntled and they stopped washing their hands.
Semmelweis tried to persuade others in European hospitals of the benefits of handwashing, but to no avail.

A few years later in Scutari, Italy, Florence Nightingale implemented handwashing and other hygiene practices in the war hospital in which she worked. Nightingale’s handwashing practices achieved a reduction in infections.

Sadly, the hand hygiene practices promoted by Semmelweis and Nightingale were not widely adopted. In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century. It was not until the 1980s, when a string of foodborne outbreaks and healthcare-associated infections led to public concern that the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified hand hygiene as an important way to prevent the spread of infection. In doing so, they heralded the first nationally endorsed hand hygiene guidelines, and many more have followed.

Interesting story, but I distinctly remember marching to the lunch room every day in the 1960's and stopping at the hand washing trough outside of the restrooms so everyone could wash their hands. Wonder why that was if it wasn't kosher until the 1980's?

 

[allvol123]

Interesting story, but I distinctly remember marching to the lunch room every day in the 1960's and stopping at the hand washing trough outside of the restrooms so everyone could wash their hands. Wonder why that was if it wasn't kosher until the 1980's?

Yea, I was in kindergarten by 77 and washing hands was one of the main points i remember.

 

[MAD]

Interesting story, but I distinctly remember marching to the lunch room every day in the 1960's and stopping at the hand washing trough outside of the restrooms so everyone could wash their hands. Wonder why that was if it wasn't kosher until the 1980's?

Do you remember the incident they are referring to that happened in the 80’s? I don’t.
The one that stands out to me was when someone put something in the Tylenol, people might have died and shortly after that they started putting on the safety seal.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Here is a good example

Ignaz Semmelweis is known as the father of hand hygiene.

In 1886 Semmelweis imposed a new rule mandating hand washing.
The rates of death in his maternity ward fell dramatically.
This was the first proof that cleansing hands could prevent infection.
However, the innovation was not popular with everyone, some were disgruntled and they stopped washing their hands.
Semmelweis tried to persuade others in European hospitals of the benefits of handwashing, but to no avail.

A few years later in Scutari, Italy, Florence Nightingale implemented handwashing and other hygiene practices in the war hospital in which she worked. Nightingale’s handwashing practices achieved a reduction in infections.

Sadly, the hand hygiene practices promoted by Semmelweis and Nightingale were not widely adopted. In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century. It was not until the 1980s, when a string of foodborne outbreaks and healthcare-associated infections led to public concern that the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention identified hand hygiene as an important way to prevent the spread of infection. In doing so, they heralded the first nationally endorsed hand hygiene guidelines, and many more have followed.

Complete, and utter B.S. Once the germ theory of disease was accepted, hand washing became commonplace, and it was especially pushed during tuberculosis and influenza outbreaks in the early 20th century.

 

[kiddiedoc]

 

[MAD]

Complete, and utter B.S. Once the germ theory of disease was accepted, hand washing became commonplace, and it was especially pushed during tuberculosis and influenza outbreaks in the early 20th century.

Complete B.S.? really?
Sorry to say it, but this is well known, do your research.
These are just some of the links if you had done a search.
I learned this story from a world class doctor at Tampa General who is the top 3 in his field who did a surgery that saved my life.
The reason he brought it up was because my parents are from Hungary and he told us about the museum (which I added the link)he visited in Budapest in honor of Semmelweis and the whole history behind it.

It Took Surprisingly Long for Doctors to Figure Out the Benefits of Hand Washing

Ignaz Semmelweis - Wikipedia

The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Lives

The Global Handwashing Partnership

‘Wash your hands’ was once controversial medical advice

SOM <———museum in Budapest

 

[kiddiedoc]

Yes, this is utter B.S.:

In general, handwashing promotion stood still for over a century. It was not until the 1980s

After the work you referenced, Lister's, and Pasteur's discoveries, germ theory became accepted and revolutionized the world of medicine in terms of wound/perioperative infections. Hand hygiene was strongly promoted during infection outbreaks and has been recognized since the early 20th century as important for disease prevention.

Obviously, the history on Semmelweis and Nightingale is accurate.

 

[kiddiedoc]

1950s Campaign

 

[MAD]

Yes, this is utter B.S.:



After the work you referenced, Lister's, and Pasteur's discoveries, germ theory became accepted and revolutionized the world of medicine in terms of wound/perioperative infections. Hand hygiene was strongly promoted during infection outbreaks and has been recognized since the early 20th century as important for disease prevention.

Obviously, the history on Semmelweis and Nightingale is accurate.

Confirms everything I suspected.

 

[Velo Vol]

Oh boy. Motion claims there is no public health emergency.