Latest Coronavirus - Yikes

[evillawyer]

It pisses me off to no end these people that want a mask mandate for kids in schools.

Why?

 

[Orangeburst]

What civil liberty is being being violated by vaccine passes?

Tell that to black folk in nyc.
Gonna be quite interesting as I remember the pandemic took second fiddle to the street protests

 

[hog88]

What civil liberty is being being violated by vaccine passes?

Seriously?

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

It's embarrassing and sad what has happened to "news correspondents". This is not reporting - it's pure opinion.

You a fan of Tucker Carlson?

 

[evillawyer]

Seriously?

Yes, what civil liberty is being violated? Point me to it and we can discuss.

 

[hog88]

You a fan of Tucker Carlson?

I'm not but I don't think TC has a WH press pass or portrays himself as a journalist either.

 

[hog88]

Yes, what civil liberty is being violated? Point me to it and we can discuss.

What civil liberties did the Jim Crow laws violate?

 

[evillawyer]

What civil liberties did the Jim Crow laws violate?

Don't deflect. You said vaccine passes are a infringement of a civil liberty. What civil liberty is being violated? It's a very simple question.

 

[evillawyer]

Tell that to black folk in nyc.
Gonna be quite interesting as I remember the pandemic took second fiddle to the street protests

I believe in vaccine passes for all.

 

[McDad]

I believe in vaccine passes for all.

wouldn't an "immunity pass" be more accurate and accomplish the goal of HIT?

 

[evillawyer]

wouldn't an "immunity pass" be more accurate and accomplish the goal of HIT?

What is the acronym "HIT"?

 

[McDad]

What is the acronym "HIT"?

herd immunity threshold.

 

[hog88]

Don't deflect. You said vaccine passes are a infringement of a civil liberty. What civil liberty is being violated? It's a very simple question.

Freedom of movement, fourth amendment for a couple.

 

[evillawyer]

herd immunity threshold.

Problem with people claiming natural immunity from previously testing positive/thinking they have it are numerous:

(1) They could have had a false positive test.
(2) They may think they had it without ever getting tested (and be wrong).
(3) They may have had it, but didn't generate lasting immunity to it.
(4) They may have had it, generated a substantial response, but that response has now faded.

 

[Orangeburst]

herd immunity threshold.

Wonder if our defense has it

 

[davethevol]

Why?

Because they can survive the virus. The mental damage done to them from masks is much worse long term.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Cherry picking data is also a strong attribute of anyone who feels passionately about a subject. We must all own our biases and be open that they may cloud our thinking.

True.

 

[evillawyer]

Freedom of movement, fourth amendment for a couple.

How is your movement being restricted? You have to wear a shirt and shoes to enter most businesses. You have to have a driver's license to drive. You have to have an photo ID to fly. Regardless, the freedom of movement under the constitution is about interstate travel within the US, which is not being restricted.

There is no fourth amendment violation because there is no search or seizure

 

[evillawyer]

Because they can survive the virus. The mental damage done to them from masks is much worse long term.

Isn't this, of necessity, rank speculation, since we are still in the pandemic?

 

[hog88]

How is your movement being restricted? You have to wear a shirt and shoes to enter most businesses. You have to have a driver's license to drive. You have to have an photo ID to fly. Regardless, the freedom of movement under the constitution is about interstate travel within the US, which is not being restricted.

There is no fourth amendment violation because there is no search or seizure

Vaccine passports are a search of your medical history.

.Gov requiring private business to check vaccine passports is no different than .gov mandating a private business exclude customers of a certain race, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

 

[McDad]

Problem with people claiming natural immunity from previously testing positive/thinking they have it are numerous:

(1) They could have had a false positive test.
(2) They may think they had it without ever getting tested (and be wrong).
(3) They may have had it, but didn't generate lasting immunity to it.
(4) They may have had it, generated a substantial response, but that response has now faded.

1 and 2 are contradictory.

3 and 4 are as likely for vaccinated (partially vaccinated)

 

[GVF]

Problem with people claiming natural immunity from previously testing positive/thinking they have it are numerous:

(1) They could have had a false positive test.
(2) They may think they had it without ever getting tested (and be wrong).
(3) They may have had it, but didn't generate lasting immunity to it.
(4) They may have had it, generated a substantial response, but that response has now faded.

They may have got it, got the vaccine anyway, got the virus, and infected others.
They may have never had it, got the vaccine, got the virus, infected others.

 

[GVF]

How is your movement being restricted? You have to wear a shirt and shoes to enter most businesses. You have to have a driver's license to drive. You have to have an photo ID to fly. Regardless, the freedom of movement under the constitution is about interstate travel within the US, which is not being restricted.

There is no fourth amendment violation because there is no search or seizure

Wearing a t-shirt, or possessing phot ID's, does not require anyone disclosing a medical history that is supposed to be protected by law, which also is supposed to prevent discrimination, which is also supposed to be understood by lawyers...real one's anyway.

 

[evillawyer]

1 and 2 are contradictory.

3 and 4 are as likely for vaccinated (partially vaccinated)

Not contradictory. The first group are people who got false positive test results. They got tested. The second group are people who got sick, think it was covid (but it wasn't), and recovered without ever getting tested.

Does data support you on (3) and (4)? I.e., if you had it and failed to generate a lasting response, does that mean a vaccine will have the same effect (i.e., won't generate a lasting immunity).

On 4, vaccine immunity may fade, but the vaccine will, by definition, occur after they've been infected. I've seen zero data to say that the previously infected who get vaxxed are in the same or a worse position than if they had not gotten vaxxed. Lots of data saying they're in a better position (see the recent CDC study looking at this issue with people in KY).

 

[davethevol]

Isn't this, of necessity, rank speculation, since we are still in the pandemic?

You could certainly argue that. My experience is that once someone develops mental issues that they last a life time.