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#102,530
AshG said:
Careful putting words in my mouth. Not a good thing to do.

You conversation centers on matters of self. For some people, their children choose to mask up for others. Maybe they have an immunocompromised student in their class. Or a family member at home.

To think of others is strength. It should be a choice, yes. But I stand by my assertion:

The offer still stands if you would like to see video representations of aerosol transmissions.
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Are you suggesting cloth masks stop the spread? You’re offering videos but videos of what? What is your belief from these videos?
 
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evillawyer said:
Wanna summarize your sample size and methodology and compare your work to theirs?

How do we know that masking helps prevent spread among unvaccinated people in schools? In July 2020, we and our colleagues developed the ABC Science Collaborative to pair scientists with school and community leaders to make sure that school leaders had the most up-to-date, scientific information pertaining to Covid-19 and K-12 schools. In conjunction with North Carolina, the ABC Science Collaborative collected data from more than one million students and staff members in the state’s schools from March to June 2021. Certain school districts in North Carolina were required, by bipartisan legislation, to submit infection data to the ABC Science Collaborative as a trusted third party.

During that time, more than 7,000 children and adults acquired the coronavirus and attended school while infectious. Because of close contact with those cases, more than 40,000 people required quarantine. Through contact tracing and testing, however, we found only 363 additional children and adults acquired the coronavirus. We believe this low rate of transmission occurred because of the mask-on-mask school environment: Both the infected person and the close contact wore masks. Schools provided this protection without expensive screening tests for the coronavirus or massive overhauls in ventilation systems.

Because North Carolina had a mask mandate for all K-12 schools, we could not compare masked schools to unmasked schools. To understand the preventive impact masks can have, we looked outside North Carolina for comparisons. Data from our research and from studies conducted in Utah, Missouri and Wisconsin shows that school transmission rates of coronavirus were low when schools enforced mask mandates. By contrast, one school in Israel without a mask mandate or proper social distancing protocols reported an outbreak of Covid-19 involving 153 students and 25 staff members.
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You know what else they did? They stayed distant. How do you know that isn’t what led to a low infection rate? You assume it’s the mask when it could be the distancing.
 
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#102,532
AshG said:
Careful putting words in my mouth. Not a good thing to do.

You conversation centers on matters of self. For some people, their children choose to mask up for others. Maybe they have an immunocompromised student in their class. Or a family member at home.

To think of others is strength. It should be a choice, yes. But I stand by my assertion:

The offer still stands if you would like to see video representations of aerosol transmissions.
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If this is referencing the study using a high speed camera and particle fluorescence to image sneezes going thru mask the “study” was crap. The first thing they did up front was “settle” IE rationalize on an aerosol particle size over 50x larger than the SARSCov-2 particle which is submicron. While detection vs resolving in image sampling theory are two different things generally when you’re going after sub micron objects you’ve using a Scanning Electron Microscope not a high speed camera with a field of view wide enough to image a sneeze cone pattern. SEMs can resolve around 1 nanometer or 1000x smaller than a micron. If the video you are referring to is the one I’m referencing they cherry picked a 5 micron particle size. 🤷‍♂️
 
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"Now Youse Can't Leave" | ZeroHedge

A mere few months ago any mention in public discourse of Covid passports was written off by the mainstream media as but the ravings of "conspiracy theorists" consigned to remote corners of the internet making supposedly far-fetched slippery slope arguments. On Wednesday CNBC now writes, "As the rampant delta variant of Covid threatens the post-pandemic travel and tourism rebound, there’s growing acceptance of so-called vaccine passports among a one-hesitant U.S. public and of increased calls for their mandated use across the industry."
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hog88 said:
There’s probably close to an equal amount of mask mandated school districts as there are no mask mandated ones in the country. So within the next 90 days we should know their effectiveness and be able to put this debate to rest.
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Highly doubt it. For the most part the ‘tards on both extreme sides of this debate haven’t looked at real data once since this whole thing began. They are the loud voices in the room that shout out common sense and objectivity.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
You know what else they did? They stayed distant. How do you know that isn’t what led to a low infection rate? You assume it’s the mask when it could be the distancing.
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No one is arguing for masks and masks alone. Is one part of the strategy. Hand washing, masking, social distancing, improved ventilation, etc.
 
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evillawyer said:
No one is arguing for masks and masks alone. Is one part of the strategy. Hand washing, masking, social distancing, improved ventilation, etc.
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You and all the Dems and MSM sure could’ve fooled me as that’s all I ever hear you all whining about. For all you know we could all those others things, wear no masks, and have the exact same outcome. Actually, we could potentially have a better outcome.
 
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evillawyer said:
No one is arguing for masks and masks alone. Is one part of the strategy. Hand washing, masking, social distancing, improved ventilation, etc.
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I've asked this before and I'm not sure I will get an answer but what the hell.

When is this over? What data point, finish line, and/or objective measure can you point to that says we can go back to not wearing masks and not practice social distancing? For the hundred years between the last pandemic we did just fine. So, there is something. Tell us what that is.
 
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rjd970 said:
Highly doubt it. For the most part the ‘tards on both extreme sides of this debate haven’t looked at real data once since this whole thing began. They are the loud voices in the room that shout out common sense and objectivity.
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You’re probably correct. The masks have become a symbol now and neither side wants their view of them destroyed by facts.
 
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rjd970 said:
I've asked this before and I'm not sure I will get an answer but what the hell.

When is this over? What data point, finish line, and/or objective measure can you point to that says we can go back to not wearing masks and not practice social distancing? For the hundred years between the last pandemic we did just fine. So, there is something. Tell us what that is.
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People love my analogies. Some people are bald, some are not. A person with no hair is bald. A person with 5000 is not. What is the line between the two? 50 hairs? 100 hairs? 500 hairs? It's vague. Does that prevent you from saying, without hesitation, in 95% of the cases, whether someone is bald or not?

My point is, yes there's a line to be drawn when we can go back to normal and when we should continue to take precautions like masking and social distancing. It's a vague line. People will draw it differently given what they value and the strength of the data. But we're not in that vague area right now. We're clearly on the side of protective measures need to be taken.

So I short, it's a real debate, but it's not one we're currently facing given the delta outbreak. We're clearly on the side of protective actions need to be taken.
 
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#102,542
evillawyer said:
People love my analogies. Some people are bald, some are not. A person with no hair is bald. A person with 5000 is not. What is the line between the two? 50 hairs? 100 hairs? 500 hairs? It's vague. Does that prevent you from saying, without hesitation, in 95% of the cases, whether someone is bald or not?

My point is, yes there's a line to be drawn when we can go back to normal and when we should continue to take precautions like masking and social distancing. It's a vague line. People will draw it differently given what they value and the strength of the data. But we're not in that vague area right now. We're clearly on the side of protective measures need to be taken.

So I short, it's a real debate, but it's not one we're currently facing given the delta outbreak. We're clearly on the side of protective actions need to be taken.
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Your understanding of "need" is poor.
 
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#102,543
evillawyer said:
From July 30 to Aug. 5, Florida reported 134,506 cases, and 175 deaths, according to the Florida Department of Health’s weekly report released on Fridays. There were 24,086 more cases this week than last week, a 21% jump, and the percent positivity increased to 18.9% from 18.4% last week, the report said. High positivity rates indicate community spread.

In comparison, NYC is like 3.5%
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That's a .1% death rate.

National average is still 1.7%.

Funny you dont want to acknowledge the differences between this surge and the last.
 
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#102,545
evillawyer said:
People love my analogies. Some people are bald, some are not. A person with no hair is bald. A person with 5000 is not. What is the line between the two? 50 hairs? 100 hairs? 500 hairs? It's vague. Does that prevent you from saying, without hesitation, in 95% of the cases, whether someone is bald or not?

My point is, yes there's a line to be drawn when we can go back to normal and when we should continue to take precautions like masking and social distancing. It's a vague line. People will draw it differently given what they value and the strength of the data. But we're not in that vague area right now. We're clearly on the side of protective measures need to be taken.

So I short, it's a real debate, but it's not one we're currently facing given the delta outbreak. We're clearly on the side of protective actions need to be taken.
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You'd argue for Zeno's paradox, which anyone who's been punched in the nose, knows is false.
 
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LouderVol said:
That's a .1% death rate.

National average is still 1.7%.

Funny you dont want to acknowledge the differences between this surge and the last.
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While deaths are low Florida has over 15k hospitalized covid patients and rising daily. Even if each of those patients survive which they won’t you are looking at severe health consequences down the road for many. Hearing about major wait times in the ER in some areas up to 18 hrs just to be seen and patients awaiting beds for days. This will lead to bad outcomes for non covid patients who may need a medical bed for other medical reasons such as heart attack or stroke.
1628771119512.jpegSadly think the damage has been done and not much desantis or anyone else can do at this point.
 
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evillawyer said:
People love my analogies. Some people are bald, some are not. A person with no hair is bald. A person with 5000 is not. What is the line between the two? 50 hairs? 100 hairs? 500 hairs? It's vague. Does that prevent you from saying, without hesitation, in 95% of the cases, whether someone is bald or not?

My point is, yes there's a line to be drawn when we can go back to normal and when we should continue to take precautions like masking and social distancing. It's a vague line. People will draw it differently given what they value and the strength of the data. But we're not in that vague area right now. We're clearly on the side of protective measures need to be taken.

So I short, it's a real debate, but it's not one we're currently facing given the delta outbreak. We're clearly on the side of protective actions need to be taken.
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Indeed. Your analogies are some of the stupidest **** in this forum and always provide a good laugh and material to mock 🤡
 
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