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#103,003
The Original Fade said:
I know one way to get people vaccinated - if private insurers (BCBS, United, Cigna, etc) sent a letter to all of their policy holders stating they would not pay any claims related to COVID for unvaccinated members. They are private sector businesses and could easily do that, lawsuits or not
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Yeah that’s the ticket forceful coercion. Screw your freedoms right Arnold?
 
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AshG said:
It's because the results have been studied and it's a situation of correlation rather than causation.
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So here is the problem. Say you conducted 100 randomized control studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin on treatment of COVID. Now let’s say the patient total was 200k people. Now, let’s say the results showed that the drug only helped say 5% of people. Now that’s a small number, only 10k.

But let’s look at it for total COVID cases in the US alone. I think we have had 36,600,000 cases of COVID. Well if it worked in 5% of patients, that’s 1,830,000 people helped. That’s a significant number of people.

One of my biggest issues with things like Ivermectin is this. I have seen videos of doctors stating that it works. So why would these doctors risk their reputations by saying this? Are all of them who say that lying? Also, why is it all of a sudden a bad thing if you question treatment options for COVID that doesn’t involve a vaccine? This goes against the scientific model that has been used to get us where we are today.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So here is the problem. Say you conducted 100 randomized control studies on the effectiveness of Ivermectin on treatment of COVID. Now let’s say the patient total was 200k people. Now, let’s say the results showed that the drug only helped say 5% of people. Now that’s a small number, only 10k.

But let’s look at it for total COVID cases in the US alone. I think we have had 36,600,000 cases of COVID. Well if it worked in 5% of patients, that’s 1,830,000 people helped. That’s a significant number of people.

One of my biggest issues with things like Ivermectin is this. I have seen videos of doctors stating that it works. So why would these doctors risk their reputations by saying this? Are all of them who say that lying? Also, why is it all of a sudden a bad thing if you question treatment options for COVID that doesn’t involve a vaccine? This goes against the scientific model that has been used to get us where we are today.
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Science has become politicized. Cdc, all these so called science institutes have been given an agenda
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
One of my biggest issues with things like Ivermectin is this. I have seen videos of doctors stating that it works. So why would these doctors risk their reputations by saying this? Are all of them who say that lying? Also, why is it all of a sudden a bad thing if you question treatment options for COVID that doesn’t involve a vaccine? This goes against the scientific model that has been used to get us where we are today.
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I do not believe that doctors are intentionally lying about the effects they see. But doctors are not trained researchers, unless they went that route and are working for research laboratories. The vascular surgeon who did a beautiful job saving what he could of my right leg and helping me keep my left leg has no idea what statistical power is nor how to run a linear regression model.

When you start to look at Ivermectin in wide trials, you start to see side effects crop up because the sample size is greatly increased. And because it is widely available, we're also seeing accidental poisonings where people take horse-power doses without adjusting their self medication for the difference in weight/mass.

The therapy I'm keeping my eye on is inhaled budesonide, a steroid that the Principle multi-prong trial is finding cuts almost three days off of an infection and greatly improves patient sense of well being during the therapy regiment. Principle also includes other treatment test groups including ivermectin.
 
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#103,012
SpaceCoastVol said:
How about cancer treatment for anybody using any tobacco product then? And for diabetes treatment for sugar addicted hippos? How about car wrecks for drunks?

You really want to go down this idiotic road?
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Why is it idiotic? Why should an insurer pay for you being an obtuse moron for not getting vaccinated?
 
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#103,014
AshG said:
It's because the results have been studied and it's a situation of correlation rather than causation.
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Say what? There are several studies that point directly to Ivermectin being used and being a near perfect therapeutic. Why are you gaslighting? And at the very least, why downplay the results seen by some and not at least give it as much consideration as these experimental jabs?
 
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#103,017
AshG said:
What agenda is that? Who is giving it? How are they enforcing it?
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Well for one, they are funneling everyone down this experimental vaccines path while not offering any acceptance of other treatments that are available. And any doctor that happens to go against the orthodoxy is driven away.
 
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#103,018
The Original Fade said:
No they didn’t
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Unless you qualify for an exemption, you will be subject to a tax penalty for any month you are not covered under a qualified health plan. The Tax Penalty for 2018 is 2.5% of your total household Adjusted Gross Income, or $695 per adult and $347.50 per child.
 
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#103,019
The Original Fade said:
No they didn’t
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California Individual Mandate

Effective date: January 1, 2020
Requires individuals and their dependents have ACA-compliant health insurance
Imposes a tax penalty on Californians who go without health insurance but can afford it
Provides state subsidies to help lower income residents afford health insurance


I can do this all night
 
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PlanetVolunteer said:
Got an antibody test the other day.

I've had three colds in the last year.

None of them were covid.

Still have NEVER had it somehow.

Is this some miracle or is it actually not that contagious?

I've been around THOUSANDS of people! I live in Nashville. Like how am I suppose to get this highly contagious disease? A year and a half and I got nothin
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Amen. If the CDC’s models based on sereological findings are accurate then we have to ask, why are we pushing this thing as overtly deadly if 210M people have been infected and 620k have died. If the serology models are wrong, why has only 10-12% of the country been infected with a virus that’s this “contagious”? It’s either not nearly as deadly as they want you to believe or it’s not nearly as contagious as they want you to believe. It’s unequivocally not both.
 
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Russia does it because it weakens the United States by conning more people into getting sick or dying.

 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Amen. If the CDC’s models based on sereological findings are accurate then we have to ask, why are we pushing this thing as overtly deadly if 210M people have been infected and 620k have died. If the serology models are wrong, why has only 10-12% of the country been infected with a virus that’s this “contagious”? It’s either not nearly as deadly as they want you to believe or it’s not nearly as contagious as they want you to believe. It’s unequivocally not both.
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Like serological studies show that the spread is quite vast. You always have to assume there are more cases than are tested for. So that's why it's shocking to me that I have no antibodies to this. I've lived in VA for the first few months of this. I live in Nashville. Work in a restaurant that's on a wait list every night. Been working there 10 months. Been all over nashville and Broadway many times. I go to bars in east nashville fairly regularly. Hang out with people. I have family in west TN I've visited them I've been to Knox, was at the spring game. Been to Chattanooga. Lynchburg TN at the Jack Daniels distillery. I mean damn. So contagious.

Maybe I'm not human.
 
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volfanhill said:
California Individual Mandate

Effective date: January 1, 2020
Requires individuals and their dependents have ACA-compliant health insurance
Imposes a tax penalty on Californians who go without health insurance but can afford it
Provides state subsidies to help lower income residents afford health insurance


I can do this all night
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Awesome - still doesn’t impinge on your freedom. You just might have to pay for your freedom to not get the vaccine
 
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#103,025
volfanhill said:
Unless you qualify for an exemption, you will be subject to a tax penalty for any month you are not covered under a qualified health plan. The Tax Penalty for 2018 is 2.5% of your total household Adjusted Gross Income, or $695 per adult and $347.50 per child.
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Great - under my scenario your freedom is still intact. Hospitals won’t turn you away for being an idiot, they’ll just make you pay for it.
 
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