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Orangeslice13 said:
Let me be clear. I’m engaging you in this conversation for the same reason I talk to @Rasputin_Vol. You’re not an idiot and we can disagree but still discuss facts. I realize I sometimes do things differently with those I believe to be dishonest. Please don’t think I’m treating you that way.

Now…I agree in part with everything you just said. My only point to Ras was it goes deeper than someone vaccinated got Covid.
In this case Jackson and his wife are reportedly on immunosuppressive drugs. Studies out of Israel now suggest that people on that type of therapy may need a 3rd or 4th dose to get the immune response equivalent to 0ne or two douses to a person not receiving that treatment.

may the end of the day there’s just a lot we don’t know
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I wasn’t aware of that. Yeah that completely changes the risk level. Again hoping they both fully recover.
 
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volfanhill said:
It's amazing to me that his approach, and it's not just his, is how people think they will change anyone's mind on anything. Trying to shame people doesn't work. Talking down to people doesn't work. Transparency works. Something Fauci should have considered before he was caught lying.
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My mom taught me that getting caught in one lie makes everything else you say unbelievable.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Let me be clear. I’m engaging you in this conversation for the same reason I talk to @Rasputin_Vol. You’re not an idiot and we can disagree but still discuss facts. I realize I sometimes do things differently with those I believe to be dishonest. Please don’t think I’m treating you that way.

Now…I agree in part with everything you just said. My only point to Ras was it goes deeper than someone vaccinated got Covid.
In this case Jackson and his wife are reportedly on immunosuppressive drugs. Studies out of Israel now suggest that people on that type of therapy may need a 3rd or 4th dose to get the immune response equivalent to 0ne or two douses to a person not receiving that treatment.

may the end of the day there’s just a lot we don’t know
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I always enjoy discussing things with you. No offense taken.

I was not aware they were immunosuppressed -- that would certainly increase their risk.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I wasn’t aware of that. Yeah that completely changes the risk level. Again hoping they both fully recover.
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I looked again for the article but can’t find it. There was a part of an article that said they are each on a different drug. Humerra and Emberal I think. (And no I’m not looking up the correct spelling of either of those drugs). Plus Jessee Jackson has had other issues. He had gallbladder surgery at the beginning of the summer. May if I remember correctly
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he shouldn't have gotten vaccinated. I was just pointing out the actual mortality rate in his demographic. One thing I have found is that most people consistently overestimate risk.

Example: I was discussing the vaccine with a father in my office the other day, and he was opposed to his teenage daughter receiving it. When I asked what he believed her risk of dying would be if she was infected with CV, he replied "really, really low, . . . Like 1%."

Additionally, I keep seeing people with breakthrough infection stating how glad they are that they got the vaccine, "because without it, they would have been so much sicker."

Statistically speaking, that is just not true. The vast majority of people of ALL ages, including the 75-84 group, do not get super sick and die. And, in the sub-65 group, it's actually an anomaly to be very sick at all, even without the vaccine.

Again, I'm not advising for or against vaccination for any age, just painting a clear picture of actual risk.
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Don't know what your definition of anomaly is but the average age of hospitalized covid patients widely reported in this state is in their 50s and the average age of those dying by some reports is early 60s in a state with currently 2700 hospitalized patients among about 56k active cases.
Rutherford County COVID-19 delta variant hospitalizations, cases rise
Tennessee's hospitals are filling up at a faster rate than during last fall's covid surge - Independent Herald
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/metro-to-give-covid-update-discuss-impact-on-local-hospitals
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/h...novel-coronavirus/CriticalIndicatorReport.pdf

Based on certain risk estimates the risk of being hospitalized if you have covid among those ages 35-65 without comorbidites runs from 1% to 6% based on which risk calculation used (such as Predict Hospitalization Risk for COVID-19 Positive or See how age and illnesses change the risk of dying from covid-19). Definitely you are more likely to not be hospitalized but by no means is it an anomaly. And this is just looking at hospitalizations and not those who may have symptoms that cause a significant time of missed work but does not requiring hospitalization.
Understand that you treat low risk patients being a pediatrician but find it perplexing that you would not be a stronger advocate for vaccinations in those over the age of 40 at least. Is there something you are seeing in your practice that makes you skeptical of these numbers reported?
 
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evillawyer said:
Lemme know when sleeping kittens have killed over 600k in the US.
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Thanks for proving my point. The fire protection equipment is specific protection for something that is specifically a problem for them. Covid hasnt killed 600k fire fighters.

You are ridiculing EMTs to constantly wear fire protection equipment because X number of people die in fires.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I always enjoy discussing things with you. No offense taken.

I was not aware they were immunosuppressed -- that would certainly increase their risk.
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My best friend all the way back to our teenage years is retired and on disability due to Type I diabetes and a kidney transplant. When we talk about risk and choice I tell him I think everyone needs to make their own choices… except him. If I have to I’ll come back home and duct tape his ass to a chair in his house and he needs to be at the head of the line anytime the latest COVID jab is available
 
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ENGRVOL said:
Don't know what your definition of anomaly is but the average age of hospitalized covid patients widely reported in this state is in their 50s and the average age of those dying by some reports is early 60s in a state with currently 2700 hospitalized patients among about 56k active cases.
Rutherford County COVID-19 delta variant hospitalizations, cases rise
Tennessee's hospitals are filling up at a faster rate than during last fall's covid surge - Independent Herald
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/metro-to-give-covid-update-discuss-impact-on-local-hospitals
https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/h...novel-coronavirus/CriticalIndicatorReport.pdf

Based on certain risk estimates the risk of being hospitalized if you have covid among those ages 35-65 without comorbidites runs from 1% to 6% based on which risk calculation used (such as Predict Hospitalization Risk for COVID-19 Positive or See how age and illnesses change the risk of dying from covid-19). Definitely you are more likely to not be hospitalized but by no means is it an anomaly. And this is just looking at hospitalizations and not those who may have symptoms that cause a significant time of missed work but does not requiring hospitalization.
Understand that you treat low risk patients being a pediatrician but find it perplexing that you would not be a stronger advocate for vaccinations in those over the age of 40 at least. Is there something you are seeing in your practice that makes you skeptical of these numbers reported?
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I think you are misunderstanding my post. I did not say anything at all to suggest that I am not an advocate for vaccination in those at any significant risk from CV infection. I was merely clarifying the risk and dispelling the myth that people would definitely be sicker if they were not vaccinated. Most people (especially younger than 65) have relatively mild symptoms and do not require any medical attention, whatsoever.
 
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While still a preprint, this is good news for natural immunity for those who have had covid19.

"In vaccinated subjects, antibody titers decreased by up to 40% each subsequent month while in convalescents they decreased by less than 5% per month. Six months after BNT162b2 vaccination 16.1% subjects had antibody levels below the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL, while only 10.8% of convalescent patients were below <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusions: This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group."
 
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phoenixvol said:
While still a preprint, this is good news for natural immunity for those who have had covid19.

"In vaccinated subjects, antibody titers decreased by up to 40% each subsequent month while in convalescents they decreased by less than 5% per month. Six months after BNT162b2 vaccination 16.1% subjects had antibody levels below the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL, while only 10.8% of convalescent patients were below <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection. Conclusions: This study demonstrates individuals who received the Pfizer-BioNTech mRNA vaccine have different kinetics of antibody levels compared to patients who had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, with higher initial levels but a much faster exponential decrease in the first group."
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Would you mind posting the source?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I looked again for the article but can’t find it. There was a part of an article that said they are each on a different drug. Humerra and Emberal I think. (And no I’m not looking up the correct spelling of either of those drugs). Plus Jessee Jackson has had other issues. He had gallbladder surgery at the beginning of the summer. May if I remember correctly
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My point was that from the very beginning, this thing should have been advertised as a therapeutic, and not a traditional "vaccine" that will prevent you from getting COVID. There would have been no need to start identifying so-called "breakthrough" cases. They simply could have been upfront and said that the shots are intended to suppress the symptoms. But no, they had to oversell it in an attempt to manipulate people into getting the jab. And once these "breakthrough" cases started appearing, they are forced to change the narrative (tell the truth).

Its always been a trust issue with what is coming out of the so-called experts' mouths.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My point was that from the very beginning, this thing should have been advertised as a therapeutic, and not a traditional "vaccine" that will prevent you from getting COVID. There would have been no need to start identifying so-called "breakthrough" cases. They simply could have been upfront and said that the shots are intended to suppress the symptoms. But no, they had to oversell it in an attempt to manipulate people into getting the jab. And once these "breakthrough" case started appearing, they are forced to change the narrative (tell the truth).

Its always been a trust issue with what is coming out of the so-called experts' mouths.
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I’m not sure they were dishonest in the beginning. They said it was 94% effective and didn’t know how long it would last. J and J was billed as 78% effective. Others have made the claim that it’s the prevent all but the manufacturer never did. They still are iffy on the effectiveness long term.
 
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phoenixvol said:
UT_VOLS13 has the right link.
I had covid19 in December and try to keep up with natural immunity news.
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January, here. I actually had antibody titers drawn last week, should have results tomorrow. My nucleocapsid antibody already came back positive.
 
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volfanhill said:
As a vaccinated person who dislikes Trump please take this to heart:

Your attempt to convince others to get vaccinated is terrible. Border line insulting. And is being ignored. So stop.

You posting TikTok sermons is beyond stupid.

You aren't helping encourage vaccination. You are hurting the cause.
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Lol. Silly post biden shhep
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m not sure they were dishonest in the beginning. They said it was 94% effective and didn’t know how long it would last. J and J was billed as 78% effective. Others have made the claim that it’s the prevent all but the manufacturer never did. They still are iffy on the effectiveness long term.
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How dare you question pharma.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Biden just told Cuomo to hold his beer.
My mom lives in an independent living center where the staff was told this would be enforced. 1/3 of the staff has tendered their resignations. My moms housekeeper told her she’s already got a job lined up making more money, she was only staying because she liked her job and the people
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It says something when mayny health workers refuse to get vaccinated
 
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