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mad4vols said:
Comparing apples and oranges. Those people were able to protect themselves by getting vaccinated which was required to get into the concert. Elementary schoolchildren are not able to get vaccinated yet.
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Thanks for agreeing that mask mandates are stupid and not needed and no reason to be some damn virtue signaling useless method of population control. Welcome to enlightenment
 
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mad4vols said:
Comparing apples and oranges. Those people were able to protect themselves by getting vaccinated which was required to get into the concert. Elementary schoolchildren are not able to get vaccinated yet.
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If you will get off TikTok for a minute, you might learn that vaccinated people can actually still catch and spread the Delta variant, and the CDC is calling for mask usage when social distancing isn't possible. I'm sure CNN and that numbnuts Dan Lemon missed the memo, since they were the ones broadcasting the superspreader event in NYC.
 
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Trump: I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You gotta do what you have to do but I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good.
*negative reaction*
Trump: No that’s ok. That’s alright. You got your freedoms but I happened to take the vaccine

 
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mad4vols said:
Trump: I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You gotta do what you have to do but I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good.
*negative reaction*
Trump: No that’s ok. That’s alright. You got your freedoms but I happened to take the vaccine

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As a vaccinated person who dislikes Trump please take this to heart:

Your attempt to convince others to get vaccinated is terrible. Border line insulting. And is being ignored. So stop.

You posting TikTok sermons is beyond stupid.

You aren't helping encourage vaccination. You are hurting the cause.
 
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volfanhill said:
As a vaccinated person who dislikes Trump please take this to heart:

Your attempt to convince others to get vaccinated is terrible. Border line insulting. And is being ignored. So stop.

You posting TikTok sermons is beyond stupid.

You aren't helping encourage vaccination. You are hurting the cause.
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Borderline? Its complete condescending ******** that arrogantly mandates just get with the statist agenda. 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Borderline? Its complete condescending ******** that arrogantly mandates just get with the statist agenda. 🤷‍♂️
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It's amazing to me that his approach, and it's not just his, is how people think they will change anyone's mind on anything. Trying to shame people doesn't work. Talking down to people doesn't work. Transparency works. Something Fauci should have considered before he was caught lying.
 
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volfanhill said:
It's amazing to me that his approach, and it's not just his, is how people think they will change anyone's mind on anything. Trying to shame people doesn't work. Talking down to people doesn't work. Transparency works. Something Fauci should have considered before he was caught lying.
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Yep. At this point the malleable have gotten in line. The rest will just say piss off.
 
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volfanhill said:
It's amazing to me that his approach, and it's not just his, is how people think they will change anyone's mind on anything. Trying to shame people doesn't work. Talking down to people doesn't work. Transparency works. Something Fauci should have considered before he was caught lying.
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I’ve got a few friends like him/her. They are all left leaning but I don’t think that’s a requirement. When they start on this smarmy condescending diatribe I cut them all off mid sentence and tell them to shut the hell up with the attitude I’m not interested. Most will end with the parting condescending shot on if I really don’t care about my life oh well ok which will prompt a two gun salute if it’s face to face or the verbal version if it isn’t. Keep in mind we are ALL vaccinated.
 
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volfanhill said:
As a vaccinated person who dislikes Trump please take this to heart:

Your attempt to convince others to get vaccinated is terrible. Border line insulting. And is being ignored. So stop.

You posting TikTok sermons is beyond stupid.

You aren't helping encourage vaccination. You are hurting the cause.
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I know I'm really close to getting the vaccine after seeing all the videos he posts of morbidly obese people in the hospital expressing their regret for not getting vaccinated.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Actually, his risk of dying was/is only 1 in 9, since he is in the 75-84 year demographic.

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Let’s stick bullets in a gun and play Russian roulette with the percentages. Given the choice I’m taking the vaccinated percentages as opposed to the unvaccinated percentages all day long and twice on Sunday. Given that in our analogy the vaccine percentages include dudes. Unvaccinated means death at a much higher rate and Jessee Jackson isn’t in great health. He’s very likely dead already without the vaccine because of co-morbidity. He may not make it either way but the percentages are most definitely on his side if he’s vaccinated
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Let’s stick bullets in a gun and play Russian roulette with the percentages. Given the choice I’m taking the vaccinated percentages as opposed to the unvaccinated percentages all day long and twice on Sunday. Given that in our analogy the vaccine percentages include dudes. Unvaccinated means death at a much higher rate and Jessee Jackson isn’t in great health. He’s very likely dead already without the vaccine because of co-morbidity. He may not make it either way but the percentages are most definitely on his side if he’s vaccinated
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he shouldn't have gotten vaccinated. I was just pointing out the actual mortality rate in his demographic. One thing I have found is that most people consistently overestimate risk.

Example: I was discussing the vaccine with a father in my office the other day, and he was opposed to his teenage daughter receiving it. When I asked what he believed her risk of dying would be if she was infected with CV, he replied "really, really low, . . . Like 1%."

Additionally, I keep seeing people with breakthrough infection stating how glad they are that they got the vaccine, "because without it, they would have been so much sicker."

Statistically speaking, that is just not true. The vast majority of people of ALL ages, including the 75-84 group, do not get super sick and die. And, in the sub-65 group, it's actually an anomaly to be very sick at all, even without the vaccine.

Again, I'm not advising for or against vaccination for any age, just painting a clear picture of actual risk.
 
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Bear in mind, also, that the new variant(s)/vaccine escape plays a big role, too. A month ago, there were basically no unvaccinated people in the hospital. I think UT is around 15% and growing. Delta has changed the game.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That should have been the strategy from the very beginning. They should have just let this virus run is course through the population.
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The more you look at it the more you realize Sweden got it right. They did exactly that.

Sure - the death numbers are currently sitting at one of the worst in Europe, but they have all but dropped off at this point. At the finish line when this is over the currents trends suggest they will not be any worse off than other countries but they didn’t nuke their economy either.

This virus was always going to do what it was going to do. They ripped the band-aid off and got through it.
 
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volinbham said:
There's about to be a big nursing home labor shortage as a result of the new mandate from Team Biden.
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Biden just told Cuomo to hold his beer.
My mom lives in an independent living center where the staff was told this would be enforced. 1/3 of the staff has tendered their resignations. My moms housekeeper told her she’s already got a job lined up making more money, she was only staying because she liked her job and the people
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he shouldn't have gotten vaccinated. I was just pointing out the actual mortality rate in his demographic. One thing I have found is that most people consistently overestimate risk.

Example: I was discussing the vaccine with a father in my office the other day, and he was opposed to his teenage daughter receiving it. When I asked what he believed her risk of dying would be if she was infected with CV, he replied "really, really low, . . . Like 1%."

Additionally, I keep seeing people with breakthrough infection stating how glad they are that they got the vaccine, "because without it, they would have been so much sicker."

Statistically speaking, that is just not true. The vast majority of people of ALL ages, including the 75-84 group, do not get super sick and die. And, in the sub-65 group, it's actually an anomaly to be very sick at all, even without the vaccine.

Again, I'm not advising for or against vaccination for any age, just painting a clear picture of actual risk.
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Let me be clear. I’m engaging you in this conversation for the same reason I talk to @Rasputin_Vol. You’re not an idiot and we can disagree but still discuss facts. I realize I sometimes do things differently with those I believe to be dishonest. Please don’t think I’m treating you that way.

Now…I agree in part with everything you just said. My only point to Ras was it goes deeper than someone vaccinated got Covid.
In this case Jackson and his wife are reportedly on immunosuppressive drugs. Studies out of Israel now suggest that people on that type of therapy may need a 3rd or 4th dose to get the immune response equivalent to 0ne or two douses to a person not receiving that treatment.

may the end of the day there’s just a lot we don’t know
 
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