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Rasputin_Vol said:
These particular "vaccines" are brand new and have 8 months of track record. They don't prevent C-19, but they do appear to slightly improve symptoms. But as I've shown on many occasions, not enough of a statistical difference to push people over to get vaccinated.
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Point 1: You're kinda right, but mostly wrong. They don't fully protect against COVID, they're about 90% effective at preventing COVID which was disclosed when they were released. Pretty damn good effective rate.

Point 2: I realize this is the case for a lot of people. Unfortunately, they will have to either suffer themselves (and hopefully not die) or watch their loved ones suffer or die to be convinced. That's the sad state of where a lot of people are.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Point 1: You're kinda right, but mostly wrong. They don't fully protect against COVID, they're about 90% effective at preventing COVID which was disclosed when they were released. Pretty damn good effective rate.

Point 2: I realize this is the case for a lot of people. Unfortunately, they will either have to either suffer themselves (and hopefully not die) or watch their loved ones suffer or die to be convinced. That's the sad state of where a lot of people are.
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Why is it of your concern?
 
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jave36 said:
Ya the only right that might come into play is privacy, but there's so much precedent for requiring proof of vaccination status that it'd be hard to make the case for that. Heck I couldn't go to UT if I hadn't proven I had a whole host of vaccines, and I couldn't have gotten a job without proving I wasn't doing drugs. It would take some kind of lawyer to convince a judge/jury that the covid vaccine is radically different from those scenarios. I don't like it, but I do think companies have the right to do it.
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On that same note why does the federal government recommend my employer mandate vaccines as a condition of employment but people on welfare aren’t required to have vaccines? It’s also crazy employers can require drug tests but we don’t even require that of people on long term welfare. #libs
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Point 1: You're kinda right, but mostly wrong. They don't fully protect against COVID, they're about 90% effective at preventing COVID which was disclosed when they were released. Pretty damn good effective rate.
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Absolutely not the case, now. Due to multiple mutations in the spike protein, protection is nowhere close to 90% vs the Delta variant.
 
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Sea Ray said:
So what do you think about that? Do you think this was a death/hospitalization that could have easily been prevented?
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I'm not shy about saying that I think that everyone who can get vaccinated should do so. I've now personally known four people that died of Covid and none were vaccinated, though the first three didn't have the opportunity. Would any of the four be alive if they'd been vaxxed, and would my 38-year-old classmate be in something other than absolutely awful shape? I don't know. It would feel like piling on to act as if I could be certain. I just know that I'll go get a booster the day it becomes available to me.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
This media-driven assault on Ivermectin as a "horse dewormer" is literally the most ignorant thing I've seen all year. Almost every medication used in veterinary medicine is also used in humans or is derived from a similar human drug. Hell, I've even prescribed ivermectin several times.
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FDA is like do not use this medication that has been in use for 20 plus years, but do use this vaccine that is less than 1 year old.

Makes total sense.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Absolutely not the case, now. Due to multiple mutations in the spike protein, protection is nowhere close to 90% vs the Delta variant.
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Are we talking about the Delta variant specifically or the entire COVID umbrella?

To date, the vaccines are roughly 90% effective.

Comparing the differences between COVID-19 vaccines - Mayo Clinic

Specifically against the Delta variant they are about 70% effective, which is still great and way better than whatever the heck you're about to start suggesting.

Here's How Well COVID-19 Vaccines Work Against the Delta Variant
 
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allvol123 said:
FDA is like do not use this medication that has been in use for 20 plus years, but do use this vaccine that is less than 1 year old.

Makes total sense.
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That, along with ignoring any other therapeutics that may be available and ignoring/downplaying natural immunity gives it the appearance that this is agenda driven.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not shy about saying that I think that everyone who can get vaccinated should do so. I've now personally known four people that died of Covid and none were vaccinated, though the first three didn't have the opportunity. Would any of the four be alive if they'd been vaxxed, and would my 38-year-old classmate be in something other than absolutely awful shape? I don't know. It would feel like piling on to act as if I could be certain. I just know that I'll go get a booster the day it becomes available to me.
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I do not have any family or friends that have gotten really sick from C19 but I have a slew who have died of smoking related causes and a few that have died of alcoholism. All fall under the category of preventable deaths but getting a vaccine is infinitely easier than quitting alcohol or smoking. I don't think you're going out on a limb to think that your co-worker would still be alive if vaxxed
 
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Sea Ray said:
I do not have any family or friends that have gotten really sick from C19 but I have a slew who have died of smoking related causes and a few that have died of alcoholism. All fall under the category of preventable deaths but getting a vaccine is infinitely easier than quitting alcohol or smoking. I don't think you're going out on a limb to think that your co-worker would still be alive if vaxxed
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I agree with all of that. I just don't feel like getting into second guessing her decisions right now. It feels too soon.
 
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midnight orange said:
I see one major problem with ivermectin.
“The people were given two 21 mg doses of Ivermectin. This costs less than 1 penny per person.”
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Load me up with a lifetime supply...and u mind drying my pants?

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SlingBlayde said:
If it worked for India???

India Could Sentence WHO Chief Scientist to Death for Misleading Over Ivermectin and Killing Indians | NextBigFuture.com
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Bring it on.

The jury is still out for me on some of the therapeutics, but as this mess lingers on I'm growing less patient with pharmaceutical companies and their slimy tentacles worming into everything for the love of money.

If this lawsuit and others like it can make their way over here, I'd be a happy person.
 
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