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luthervol said:
They've been forcing vaccines for decades.
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Well first off, the "that's the way we always have done it" argument doesn't make it right.

Second, you still do not appreciate the fact that this is a hurried and rushed medical procedure that is far different that the 100+ years of research behind the small pox vax and the dozen or so years behind the polio vax.

Also, small pox and polio are far, far more dangerous than C-19. Had we been looking at something remotely as dangerous as either of those two, then this would be an entirely different conversation for most. Given the choice between an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate and nothing, most people are more willing to take their chances with the virus, however.
 
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McDad said:
There must be some threshold established to label something as therapeutic, or preventative. A 15% infection rate after vax may be within those established thresholds to call it a vaccine (preventative measure).
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I haven't seen the literature myself, but I did hear that they may have had to alter the definition of a vaccine recently to accommodate what we have right now. I hadn't seen that myself, but it has been discussed apparently.
 
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bamawriter said:
Can you point to some previous vaccines that caused adverse effects that began more than 8 months after being administered?
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I can't.

Edit: There was some studies done at the Oschner hospital in New Orleans that was conducted by Mary Sherman in the late 1950s that suggested that the original polio vaccines may have infected close to 80-100 million people with a soft tissue cancer causing virus.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly.

That still doesn't address the concerns about the long term effects.
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If you're not as concerned about the very real and very present risks of this virus as you are about the completely unidentifiable, if even existent, long term risks of the vaccine then it's literally impossible for your concerns to be addressed.
 
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bamawriter said:
Can you point to some previous vaccines that caused adverse effects that began more than 8 months after being administered?
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Either way, just because few if any do not show com pl locations after 8 months, is this something we need to just for granted on any new vaccine that comes out?
 
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#104,458
Rasputin_Vol said:
I can't.

Edit: There was some studies done at the Oschner hospital in New Orleans that was conducted by Mary Sherman in the late 1950s that suggested that the original polio vaccines may have infected close to 80-100 million people with a soft tissue cancer causing virus.
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I thought that conspiracy theory was about the origin of AIDS.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, the "that's the way we always have done it" argument doesn't make it right.

Second, you still do not appreciate the fact that this is a hurried and rushed medical procedure that is far different that the 100+ years of research behind the small pox vax and the dozen or so years behind the polio vax.

Also, small pox and polio are far, far more dangerous than C-19. Had we been looking at something remotely as dangerous as either of those two, then this would be an entirely different conversation for most. Given the choice between an experimental vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate and nothing, most people are more willing to take their chances with the virus, however.
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I get all of that.
Throw the great unknown about the long term effects of COVID into the equation, and it gets even murkier.

I know a 20 year old college basketball player who had COVID a year ago who claims to have only about 50% of his former lung capacity. I know a "healthy" 45 year old football coach from my son's former school who says the same.

A healthy 42 year old resource officer from a local middle school died from COVID 2 days ago. I knew him well. He is not the first otherwise healthy person that I have known to die from COVID.

Luckily, most people are choosing the vaccine.
 
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bamawriter said:
If you're not as concerned about the very real and very present risks of this virus as you are about the completely unidentifiable, if even existent, long term risks of the vaccine then it's literally impossible for your concerns to be addressed.
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Untrue. Obviously the ideal situation would have been for this to have gone through the entire FDA approval process. But given the situation as it is, my personal preference would be no earlier than 12-18 months. But with all of the deceptive messaging and misinformation and removal of other options, I'm very cynical about that timeframe.
 
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luthervol said:
I get all of that.
Throw the great unknown about the long term effects of COVID into the equation, and it gets even murkier.

I know a 20 year old college basketball player who had COVID a year ago who claims to have only about 50% of his former lung capacity. I know a "healthy" 45 year old football coach from my son's former school who says the same.

A healthy 42 year old resource officer from a local middle school died from COVID 2 days ago. I knew him well. He is not the first otherwise healthy person that I have known to die from COVID.

Luckily, most people are choosing the vaccine.
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There are unknown long term effects of COVID. I am fully aware of that.

My preference would be to only deal with one unknown with COVID as opposed to having to deal with the unknown long term effects of both COVID and the vaccines.

Just I should respect your fear of a new virus, why don't you respect my fear of a new vaccine?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There are unknown long term effects of COVID. I am fully aware of that.

My preference would be to only deal with one unknown with COVID as opposed to having to deal with the unknown long term effects of both COVID and the vaccines.

Just I should respect your fear of a new virus, why don't you respect my fear of a new vaccine?
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I do respect that fear. If the only people refusing to be vaccinated were the people with a legitimate fear of the long term side effects, we'd be in great shape.
 
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LouderVol said:
What was the birth defect drug/vaccine? Pictures have been circling recently of the victims, crazy short arms.
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Thalidomide..but it was for nausea/sleep and wasn't originally approved by FDA in 60s..it was however later approved for non child bearing age women...we had a patient in LTC on it
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Untrue. Obviously the ideal situation would have been for this to have gone through the entire FDA approval process. But given the situation as it is, my personal preference would be no earlier than 12-18 months. But with all of the deceptive messaging and misinformation and removal of other options, I'm very cynical about that timeframe.
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Like I said, it's impossible to address your concerns. Only the passage of time will make a difference.
 
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