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volinbham said:
interesting use of words - indicates they were presenting the unknown as known...I agree
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I think everyone has acknowledged we are in uncharted waters.

Is anyone actually debating whether or not the vaccine helps?
Or is the debate only over how much it helps?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I'm trying to understand this statistic. ICU utilization is typically over 70% at any given time, higher in some places based on what type of facility it is. If 63% of capacity is taken up just by Covid, are they trying to say that they'd be at 30% otherwise? That seems incredibly low. Or these people would likely be in ICU but also happen to have Covid now.
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as I read it, that's 59% of ICU beds with Covid (63% of 93%) so 34% with something else.
 
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luthervol said:
I think everyone has acknowledged we are in uncharted waters.

Is anyone actually debating whether or not the vaccine helps?
Or is the debate only over how much it helps?
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it's not a debate - just an observation that vaccines are not offering the level of protection against severe consequences that we believed. Based upon that observation some changes in approach may be merited.
 
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#104,429
volinbham said:
it's not a debate - just an observation that vaccines are not offering the level of protection against severe consequences that we believed. Based upon that observation some changes in approach may be merited.
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Right. I guess my question should be asked in the "vaccine or not" thread.
 
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#104,430
volinbham said:
it's not a debate - just an observation that vaccines are not offering the level of protection against severe consequences that we believed. Based upon that observation some changes in approach may be merited.
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This is precisely the reason I am asking my questions today. We have created a whole subset of people who do not trust what officials say. Sometimes that distrust is based on who is doing the talking. Sometimes it is based on feeling like that person hasn't been forthright in the past. Fauci/CDC have tainted an organization which I think many would view as trustworthy prior to covid pandemic. Expectations on vaccine effects by the public is another step towards distrust unless those expectations are reset.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
There's a difference between the studying of treatment and coming back with solid numbers that backs it up. The people recommending the use of all these anti-vaxxx treatments have neither of those.

Quite frankly, they are talking out of their ass and contributing towards people getting sick, hospitalized, and killed.
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The evidence with regards to the effectiveness of some of these other treatments is more sound than the evidence that suggests masks do anything substantial.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I see this kind of stance from both sides actually.
The all or nothing approach is beyond stupid
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Most of the opposing side doesn't have an all or nothing mentality. The preference would be to open it up to more options besides the jab or nothing. They have spent a lot of time and effort shooting down experimental alternative therapeutics and natural immunity, but have tried zealously to shove an experimental jab in everyone's arm.

The other side needs to be more flexible... a lot more flexible.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
When the anti-vaxxers come up with something that works as well as the vaccine let me know. So far the solution has been zinc pills, animal tranquilizers or parasitic pills, household disinfectant, and spending $25 -$40 on an inconclusive antibody test.

The vaccine is safe, effective, and free. If you don't want to get it then that is your choice, albeit a stupid one.
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Why do you care?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Most of the opposing side doesn't have an all or nothing mentality. The preference would be to open it up to more options besides the jab or nothing. They have spent a lot of time and effort shooting down experimental alternative therapeutics and natural immunity, but have tried zealously to shove an experimental jab in everyone's arm.

The other side needs to be more flexible... a lot more flexible.
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And yet every bit as militant
 
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McDad said:
I wonder if the public will have to change expectations of what a vaccine does. We have been conditioned with other diseases and vaccines that inoculation prevents the disease completely.
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That is because traditional vaccines used a weakened form of the virus and injected that into people to have them produce the antibodies. This is not what the mRNA "vaccines" do. That is why they should be called " therapeutics".
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And yet every bit as militant
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If there is militancy on the unvaccinated side, it comes from the slippery slope that we see approaching. First it was the vaccine mandates. Next will be Booster #1 mandate. Then another. At this point, we are creeping towards a place where you don't have sovereignty over your body and the govt can come in at anytime and force a jab on you for various reasons.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If there is militancy on the unvaccinated side, it comes from the slippery slope that we see approaching. First it was the vaccine mandates. Next will be Booster #1 mandate. Then another. At this point, we are creeping towards a place where you don't have sovereignty over your body and the govt can come in at anytime and force a jab on you for various reasons.
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They've been forcing vaccines for decades.
 
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bamawriter said:
Even the polio and MMR vaccines aren't foolproof. They are somewhere around 98-99% at this point, but that's because we've been able to adjust them for decades as opposed to mere months with the Covid jabs.
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Well you just made the case for the non vaccinated that have been concerned about the amount of time (or lack there of) spent on fully testing these jabs. Of course you are going to see improvement over time. Thank you for at least acknowledging the obvious.

Why is there a push to get a large section of the population jabbed right now?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is because traditional vaccines used a weakened form of the virus and injected that into people to have them produce the antibodies. This is not what the mRNA "vaccines" do. That is why they should be called " therapeutics".
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There must be some threshold established to label something as therapeutic, or preventative. A 15% infection rate after vax may be within those established thresholds to call it a vaccine (preventative measure).
 
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Tyler Durden said:
I pay my taxes, you apparently are hell-bent on nitpicking, I'm sure you'll be talking about school lunches in a minute. When I got vaccinated I paid $0 to do so, and everyone else who gets vaccinated pays $0 as well.

You keep saying things as if they're facts, but I've yet to see you provide any evidence when you do so. SOP for the anti-vaxxx crowd.
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You paid $0????

Really?
 
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luthervol said:
I think everyone has acknowledged we are in uncharted waters.

Is anyone actually debating whether or not the vaccine helps?
Or is the debate only over how much it helps?
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I think at this point, there is enough evidence to suggest that in the short term, the "vaccine" may have some benefits.

But that says nothing about the long term effects, which is what the vast majority of people are concerned about. We're only about 8 months into this and you guys want us to jump out on the deep end.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well you just made the case for the non vaccinated that have been concerned about the amount of time (or lack there of) spent on fully testing these jabs. Of course you are going to see improvement over time. Thank you for at least acknowledging the obvious.

Why is there a push to get a large section of the population jabbed right now?
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Because, even at their current effectiveness, the vaccines go a long way toward keeping people out of hospitals and morgues.
 
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#104,448
Rasputin_Vol said:
I think at this point, there is enough evidence to suggest that in the short term, the "vaccine" may have some benefits.

But that says nothing about the long term effects, which is what the vast majority of people are concerned about. We're only about 8 months into this and you guys want us to jump out on the deep end.
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Can you point to some previous vaccines that caused adverse effects that began more than 8 months after being administered?
 
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