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volinbham said:
more importantly to me it raises questions about efforts directed at a booster rather than efforts directed at a different version of the vaccine.
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I think the better argument is that boosters should be limited to the very vulnerable. From there, our excess supply should be going to underdeveloped nations from which new variants are likely to emerge.
 
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luthervol said:
I think everyone knows you can get the flu vaccine and still get the flu.
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Flu is a bit different. The experts decide which is the most likely version and prepare vax for that. My understanding is flu infection is from a different strain. I was talking about polio, measels, etc when discussing what the public expects a vaccine to do.

As far as I know, it hasn't been conclusively determined if what we are seeing with Covid vaxed infections is following same.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
When the anti-vaxxers come up with something that works as well as the vaccine let me know. So far the solution has been zinc pills, animal tranquilizers or parasitic pills, household disinfectant, and spending $25 -$40 on an inconclusive antibody test.

The vaccine is safe, effective, and free. If you don't want to get it then that is your choice, albeit a stupid one.
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Free.....I guess you are one of the 61% that doesnt pay fed taxes. Or the 0.01% that doesnt pay any tax?

You realize countries with better vax rates are looking at theraputics? It's not some anti vax conspiracy to want other options. Its plain common sense. Especially if you care about the immune compromised who cant take the vaccine.

Again it amazes me that the vaxxers only care about the vaccine. It's such a short sited stance that bucks how apparently dire the situation is.

Bidens been in office 8 months and hasnt come up with any alternatives or improvements. In the face of the delta surge where vaccines are less effective you would think it would be important to figure this thing out.
 
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bamawriter said:
It's seems a little high for Alabama, given the low levels of vaccination in the state. But I don't know that it's high enough to speak against the prevailing wisdom.
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agreed - vax is clearly the best route. Just saying that it might merit some refocus on expectations of preventing serious outcomes and the best future direction with vaxxing between boosters of the same one or shifting to a new, improved vax.
 
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McDad said:
Flu is a bit different. The experts decide which is the most likely version and prepare vax for that. My understanding is flu infection is from a different strain. I was talking about polio, measels, etc when discussing what the public expects a vaccine to do.

As far as I know, it hasn't been conclusively determined if what we are seeing with Covid vaxed infections is following same.
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Even the polio and MMR vaccines aren't foolproof. They are somewhere around 98-99% at this point, but that's because we've been able to adjust them for decades as opposed to mere months with the Covid jabs.
 
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bamawriter said:
I think the better argument is that boosters should be limited to the very vulnerable. From there, our excess supply should be going to underdeveloped nations from which new variants are likely to emerge.
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I'm not sure the research is done showing more of the same vax (for Alpha) will add much protection for Delta, Lambda, etc.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm not sure the research is done showing more of the same vax (for Alpha) will add much protection for Delta, Lambda, etc.
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That's what I'm saying. A less effective booster is not as useful as a fresh vax in an area where a variant is more likely to emerge if things don't change.
 
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bamawriter said:
Even the polio and MMR vaccines aren't foolproof. They are somewhere around 98-99% at this point, but that's because we've been able to adjust them for decades as opposed to mere months with the Covid jabs.
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I understand. And agree. But we, the public, don't make a distinction between 98-99 percentage points and 100%.

If this is the best we can do right now, the public will have to be reconditioned on what they can expect from covid vaccine.
 
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#104,412
volinbham said:
sure - for me the expectation is not getting Covid with the vax but the expectations said case will be mild. in the anecdotal evidence at UAB there are more than expected breakthrough cases with severe consequences.
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I got the flu shot about 20 years ago and had the worst case of the flu that year that I have ever had. I have not had the vaccine since, and I have not had the flu since. What conclusions can be drawn?

The evidence to me seems to be fairly strong. The COVID vaccine greatly reduces your risk of getting COVID, but if you do get COVID, the symptoms will be milder and the complications less severe. (in the vast majority of cases)
 
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McDad said:
Flu is a bit different. The experts decide which is the most likely version and prepare vax for that. My understanding is flu infection is from a different strain. I was talking about polio, measels, etc when discussing what the public expects a vaccine to do.

As far as I know, it hasn't been conclusively determined if what we are seeing with Covid vaxed infections is following same.
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I think most people view COVID more as a really bad flu and less as polio or measels.
 
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LouderVol said:
Free.....I guess you are one of the 61% that doesnt pay fed taxes. Or the 0.01% that doesnt pay any tax?

You realize countries with better vax rates are looking at theraputics? It's not some anti vax conspiracy to want other options. Its plain common sense. Especially if you care about the immune compromised who cant take the vaccine.

Again it amazes me that the vaxxers only care about the vaccine. It's such a short sited stance that bucks how apparently dire the situation is.

Bidens been in office 8 months and hasnt come up with any alternatives or improvements. In the face of the delta surge where vaccines are less effective you would think it would be important to figure this thing out.
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I pay my taxes, you apparently are hell-bent on nitpicking, I'm sure you'll be talking about school lunches in a minute. When I got vaccinated I paid $0 to do so, and everyone else who gets vaccinated pays $0 as well.

You keep saying things as if they're facts, but I've yet to see you provide any evidence when you do so. SOP for the anti-vaxxx crowd.
 
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volinbham said:
more importantly to me it raises questions about efforts directed at a booster rather than efforts directed at a different version of the vaccine.
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The fact the numbers dont peter off, and actually get worse, says that it doesnt make Covid/Delta less severe.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
I pay my taxes, you apparently are hell-bent on nitpicking, I'm sure you'll be talking about school lunches in a minute. When I got vaccinated I paid $0 to do so, and everyone else who gets vaccinated pays $0 as well.

You keep saying things as if they're facts, but I've yet to see you provide any evidence when you do so. SOP for the anti-vaxxx crowd.
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Typically when I mine the CDC for data the posts get ignored. Slice has been posting articles about Israel all over this thread. You want me to copy them everytime I reference them?

And coming from you its rich to see the callout on references.

And I am not anti vax. I am pro vax. Glad my family got it, glad others can get. I believe it works, is safe, and a good way to combat Covid. You are just stuck in a black and white world and just oversimplify anyone who doesnt toe the line as much as you do to just being anti-vax.
 
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luthervol said:
I got the flu shot about 20 years ago and had the worst case of the flu that year that I have ever had. I have not had the vaccine since, and I have not had the flu since. What conclusions can be drawn?

The evidence to me seems to be fairly strong. The COVID vaccine greatly reduces your risk of getting COVID, but if you do get COVID, the symptoms will be milder and the complications less severe. (in the vast majority of cases)
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the messaging was that getting vaxxed means your chance of getting hospitalized or worse is basically zero.

that information is no longer correct and as McDad suggested the public may need to adjust the expectations (expectations set by those in charge btw) about the level of protection the vax provides.

it is not a critique of vaccines; it's a critique of the official party line
 
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volinbham said:
the messaging was that getting vaxxed means your chance of getting hospitalized or worse is basically zero.

that information is no longer correct and as McDad suggested the public may need to adjust the expectations (expectations set by those in charge btw) about the level of protection the vax provides.

it is not a critique of vaccines; it's a critique of the official party line
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The "official party line" will be continually adjusted as more of the unknown becomes known.
 
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State Epidemiologist Dr. Paul Byers said Tuesday that Mississippi set a new record of Covid-19 related deaths. And of the 875 staffed ICU beds across the state, more than 93% are in use and more than 63% of those beds are occupied by Covid-19 patients, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services.
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I'm trying to understand this statistic. ICU utilization is typically over 70% at any given time, higher in some places based on what type of facility it is. If 63% of capacity is taken up just by Covid, are they trying to say that they'd be at 30% otherwise? That seems incredibly low. Or these people would likely be in ICU but also happen to have Covid now.
 
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