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volinbham said:
Only 27 people in the total sample (a subset of which had prior infection). So we are dividing a subset of 27 into at least 2 groups (those who had Covid with little or mild symptoms and those who had stronger symptoms).

From the study:

Participants who were seropositive (n = 13) and seronegative (n = 14) prior to vaccination were included. Four seropositive individuals had PCR confirmed COVID-19 infections; remaining seropositive individuals had asymptomatic cases.

They use confirmed PCR test as a proxy for severity of symptoms.

It seems the conclusion is that the vax illicits a stronger immune response for those who had symptomatic cases of Covid rather than concluding that having a mild case doesn't provide immunity.

"we find stronger vaccine responses following prior PCR-positive SARS-CoV-2 infection. Importantly, these stronger responses were limited to participants with PCR confirmed cases of COVID-19, and were not seen among those who did not experience symptoms or were seronegative."
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Isnt this just explaining scientifically that confirmation bias exists?

They were looking for stronger responses amongst those with worse symptoms. And found it. And then used that stronger response to justify that the vaccine works, while not at all showing an actual link between vaccine and actual effects vs Covid.

I may be getting lost in the text and numbers but the more I read the less I understand what they were actually doing.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Day by day...

Its going to take some time, but eventually, everyone will catch up.
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I hope so but I’m not so sure. It reminds me of this quote by Upton Sinclair. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
 
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volinbham said:
All Hail Science™

Amherst College Orders Vaccinated Students To Be Double-Masked Indoors

Amherst College in Massachusetts is welcoming students back to campus by implementing some of the most restrictive COVID-19 mitigation efforts anywhere in the country. Administrators will now require students to wear two masks while indoors, get tested every other week, eschew large social interactions, and generally refrain from leaving school grounds.

Amherst was already requiring all students and staff to be vaccinated, and less than 1 percent of the campus had sought any sort of waiver from this requirement.

But the college is going much further. Students will be required to wear not one but two masks while indoors. (If the mask is a KN95, then just one mask is allowed.) This policy actually contradicts CDC guidance, which recommends against people wearing multiple disposable masks at the same time.

Unmasking is only permitted while students are within their own dormitory rooms. There is no exception for eating in the cafeterias, since the cafeterias will all be closed: Amherst is canceling dining services for the time being. Students should definitely not think about going out to eat: Visiting bars and restaurants is strictly prohibited.
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You will have people like @Rickyvol77 and others defend this stupidity. They will have no problem bringing in stormtroopers to enforce silly rules like this.
 
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midnight orange said:
I hope so but I’m not so sure. It reminds me of this quote by Upton Sinclair. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
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It's a foot race right now between the truth and the beauracrats that have something to gain from all of this madness.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It's a foot race right now between the truth and the beauracrats that have something to gain from all of this madness.
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And the media who is the largest benefactor of Big Pharm Ads. Something strange is going on when you see a coordinated campaign using the same keywords ie. “horse de-wormer” and that this “horse de-wormer” is easily found by anyone who can spell in the WHO’s List of Essential Medicines.
 
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SIAP but this story probably deserves it's own thread. Amazing how in a vast bureaucracy 2 people can impose their will so completely and use weasel comments like this from Fauci:

“To the extent that we can be transparent, that the system would allow us to be transparent, we go overboard to be transparent,” Fauci said.

or this from Collins:

As to why the reference to mammals was deleted, NIH said the revised policy identified “the subset of research” that could pose the greatest pandemic risk for humans.

Collins, pressed on why the change was made, said that he was “not able to fully reconstruct” the details but added that agency staffers evaluate the research proposals “from the most sophisticated perspective.”

Long read but terrifying none-the-less

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/a-science-in-the-shadows/
 
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midnight orange said:
And the media who is the largest benefactor of Big Pharm Ads. Something strange is going on when you see a coordinated campaign using the same keywords ie. “horse de-wormer” and that this “horse de-wormer” is easily found by anyone who can spell in the WHO’s List of Essential Medicines.
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Maybe it's the same lingual phenomenon as what led to the widespread use of "Do your research," "wake up," "sheep," "snowflake," et al.
 
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AshG said:
Maybe it's the same lingual phenomenon as what led to the widespread use of "Do your research," "wake up," "sheep," "snowflake," et al.
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No. Those are words that became popular in the American lexicon as a way to point to the other side for any perceived grievance or hypocrisy. This looks like a media created concept to associate ivermectin with toothless hicks avoiding questions of effectiveness.
 
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midnight orange said:
No. Those are words that became popular in the American lexicon as a way to point to the other side for any perceived grievance or hypocrisy. This looks like a media created concept to associate ivermectin with toothless hicks avoiding questions of effectiveness.
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I can see and agree with the first part of your paragraph.

As for the second, maybe it's a media created concept to keep the toothless hicks from running to the feed store and buying a tube of horse paste?

There are already multiple groups online with self dosing instructions and methods for hiding the taste.
 
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Two Senior FDA Officials Stepping Down Over Reported Disagreements With White House Over Booster Shots | ZeroHedge

As Endpoints News notes, "A former senior FDA leader told Endpoints that they’re departing because they’re frustrated that CDC and their ACIP committee are involved in decisions that they think should be up to the FDA. The former FDAer also said he’s heard they’re upset with CBER director Peter Marks for not insisting that those decisions should be kept inside FDA. What finally did it for them was the White House getting ahead of FDA on booster shots."
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AshG said:
I can see and agree with the first part of your paragraph.

As for the second, maybe it's a media created concept to keep the toothless hicks from running to the feed store and buying a tube of horse paste?

There are already multiple groups online with self dosing instructions and methods for hiding the taste.
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Yeah, get your laughs and chuckles in right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yeah, get your laughs and chuckles in right now.
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I want Ivermectin to succeed. I am anxiously awaiting the results of Japan's rollout documentation.

If I take ivermectin, it will be prescribed by a doctor and fulfilled by a pharmacist; I prefer having trained experts absorb the liability.The chuckles who are trying to absorb sheep dip through their skin and hide horse paste in their applesauce will have no one to blame but themselves when something goes sideways and won't be able to appropriately communicate doses to EMT or ER staff.
 
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AshG said:
I can see and agree with the first part of your paragraph.

As for the second, maybe it's a media created concept to keep the toothless hicks from running to the feed store and buying a tube of horse paste?

There are already multiple groups online with self dosing instructions and methods for hiding the taste.
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The media does not care about the healthcare of toothless hicks. There is also probably in this country of 360 million someone cooking a grilled cheese on an electric cooktop in the bath tub.
 
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