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n_huffhines said:
I mean, sort of. She can travel to Hawaii she was just trying to avoid both the vaccine and the 10-day quarantine and committed medical fraud. She had two legal options for traveling there.

Somebody on the other side could say she was arrested for being a public health risk but that's not really accurate either.
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Sounds like Hawaii is in violation of the interstate commerce clause.
 
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bamawriter said:
According to this article, she got to enjoy her entire trip. She was arrested upon returning to the airport for her flight home. She not only passed off the phony vaccine document, but she also lied about the hotel at which she was staying.
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I’d be curious as to whether or not lying about the hotel can be criminal. I think the phony vaccine card is illegal, but I thought only the Feds can deal with that. It will be interesting to see this stuff in court.
 
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davethevol said:
I’d be curious as to whether or not lying about the hotel can be criminal. I think the phony vaccine card is illegal, but I thought only the Feds can deal with that. It will be interesting to see this stuff in court.
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I don't know if lying about the hotel is a crime, but lying to the authorities isn't going to help her case.

As for the ID, states can enforce phony ID laws even if the ID is federal. What matters is how the phony ID was used. If you use a phony passport to open a bank account in Tennessee, you can be arrested for fraud under state law.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't know if lying about the hotel is a crime, but lying to the authorities isn't going to help her case.

As for the ID, states can enforce phony ID laws even if the ID is federal. What matters is how the phony ID was used. If you use a phony passport to open a bank account in Tennessee, you can be arrested for fraud under state law.
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Is a vaccine record now considered a legal government-issued ID?

I've certainly never thought of our little blue cards as such.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't know if lying about the hotel is a crime, but lying to the authorities isn't going to help her case.

As for the ID, states can enforce phony ID laws even if the ID is federal. What matters is how the phony ID was used. If you use a phony passport to open a bank account in Tennessee, you can be arrested for fraud under state law.
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A vaccine card is not an ID, states cannot bar a US citizen from traveling to or through the state. A valid TN drivers license is valid in all 50 states regardless of the individual states requirements to obtain a DL so I cannot see how HI can require proof of vaccine for people traveling to the state.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I mean, sort of. She can travel to Hawaii she was just trying to avoid both the vaccine and the 10-day quarantine and committed medical fraud. She had two legal options for traveling there.

Somebody on the other side could say she was arrested for being a public health risk but that's not really accurate either.
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The only examples of controlled travel in this nation, that I can think of, were the japanese, or anyone asian, during WWII, and slaves. Otherwise it's never been an issue. Its alarming that it is becoming an issue. It may force back state control into a thing. If suddenly it starts mattering that you are a citizen of X state, and can travel to Y state that has a big impact.
 
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hog88 said:
A vaccine card is not an ID, states cannot bar a US citizen from traveling to or through the state. A valid TN drivers license is valid in all 50 states regardless of the individual states requirements to obtain a DL so I cannot see how HI can require proof of vaccine for people traveling to the state.
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Hawaii isn't barring anyone from entering the state without a vaccine card.

hog88 said:
That is legal commerce isn't it?
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I agree that interstate commerce is occurring in this situation. What I'm asking is how this policy violates the ICC.
 
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hog88 said:
A vaccine card is not an ID, states cannot bar a US citizen from traveling to or through the state. A valid TN drivers license is valid in all 50 states regardless of the individual states requirements to obtain a DL so I cannot see how HI can require proof of vaccine for people traveling to the state.
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They require a proof of vaxx or a negative Covid test 72 hours before flight in. Not unreasonable
 
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bamawriter said:
Hawaii isn't barring anyone from entering the state without a vaccine card.



I agree that interstate commerce is occurring in this situation. What I'm asking is how this policy violates the ICC.
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If HI requires anything, I mean anything for a US citizen to freely enter and move about beyond a valid ID it is infringing interstate commerce.
 
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