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volinbham said:
Dr I am Science™ told us that "If you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it likely would be more effective". Appealing to common sense and making claims such as "likely would be" are indicators of Science™
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The amount of qualifiers used early on and even now is astounding. May, possibly, could, might, likely, appears, etc.
It was and is astounding.
 
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Democrats' COVID policy decisions will hurt them
Much worse than they think
VINAY PRASAD
OCT 22
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Like many of my progressive friends, I was shocked to find Democrats on the wrong side of the most consequential COVID policy decisions. They will pay for it.
On schools— Democrats were 100% wrong— schools could have reopened with limited COVID19 spread and massive societal benefit in 2020. (They probably should never have closed) We didn’t need masks or ventilation upgrades. We didn’t need asymptomatic testing or vaccines. Sweden showed us how, but we refused to follow. Why? Because Trump said it was a good idea. The smartest person on school reopening was…. Ron DeSantis.

On vaccines— These were a tremendous good for most adults who had not previously had covid in 2021, but their value and repeated value (booster after booster) in younger populations is far from certain. No amount of vaccination can stop COVID. The moment that was clear, any effort to pressure low risk individuals to get shots no longer made sense. Europeans again led the way. Instead, Dems pushed a divisive mandate without exemption for prior immunity.
On mandates— Some nurses & other health care workers who worked in 2020 who got COVID (perhaps even on the job) and recovered, were forced to get vaccinated. If they refused, some were fired. Democrats were crazy to fire a nurse who got covid and recovered from it and refused vaccination. First, there is no proof that shot would further help the nurse or anyone else, and second, what an ungrateful thing to do.
In fact, it was obvious to me that Americans would not take well to mandates. Even if there was a huge societal benefit, the unintended consequences would far exceed gains. It turned out there was not even any third party benefit. The Biden mandate was a medical and ethical disaster.
On vaccine safety— the moment you find a safety signal you have to address it. You can’t just deny myocarditis exists; then admit that it does, but say it is mild; then admit that it can be severe, but say covid is always worse (a lie). Why not: make Pfizer run RCTs of lower doses? further apart? Democrats did nothing to mitigate vaccine safety. They are too captured by corporate interest.
Masking kids— obviously this would be divisive. And honestly there is no evidence to support it. How stupid can you be to put political capital into masking 2 year olds? Obviously that is a stupid thing to do, and will haunt you. Then to top it off, many democratic politicians stood maskless infront of masked kids. Come on!
Adding COVID19 vaccines to the immunization schedule. Of course this would be divisive. And pretending the schedule has no implications is a lie. You didn’t even need to do this in 2022, could have wait a few years (although let me be clear, I am opposed to it) just from a political point of view.
Meanwhile, here is what they didn’t do:
  1. Paid sick leave
  2. Help to parents who have to work whose kids are sick
  3. Improvements to universal health insurance coverage
The average person on the street is most interested by moments when government affects their lives. This happens at the gas pump, the grocery bill, and COVID19 policy. Democrats were on the wrong side of most COVID19 issues. This affects people’s daily lives. Ironically, their policies actually discriminated against poor minority groups—No one wore the mask more than someone who has to ride public transport & no one was hurt worse by school closure— the very groups they claim to want to empower.
My guess is polling is wrong, and they are going to get clobbered even worse than expectations for their COVID stances. I urge Dems who want to keep the White House in 2024 to fire all their COVID advisors and hire unapologetic centrists on COVID. If they don’t, they will stand no chance.



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Still receiving dividends from all the decisions made around Covid.

Math Scores Dropped in Every State During Pandemic, Report Card Shows

No state or jurisdiction posted gains in math in either grade, nor did any of the 26 large districts included in the analysis. Utah was the only state where the drop in the eighth-grade math score wasn’t statistically significant. Nationwide, 38% of eighth-graders tested below basic achievement levels in math. The basic level denotes partial mastery.
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kiddiedoc said:
I found this interesting, hadn't visited the site in at least 6 months:

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As the virus continues to be less virulent, and as more and more people, regardless of vaccination status, get Covid, it’s becoming a much harder sell (and that is the correct word) to get people boosted. The effect size is just too small. Most studies now are using relative risk per 100,000 as the baseline. So if you’re vaccinated, there’s only a 2/100,000 chance of dying from Covid. And if you’re unvaccinated, there’s a 8/100,000 chance of dying with Covid. So the results say unvaccinated is 4x more likely to die from Covid. Which is not untrue. But it’s also misleading. Since even the unvaccinated group has a 99.992% chance of survival.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well teachers considered themselves, with government approval, to be less essential then the person working the Arby's takeout window.
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I still remember my 19 year old nephew whom was a stock boy at Walgreens telling me how they made him go to the front of the vax line because he was “essential”. I laughed and told him we all are 😂
 
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We should let them off the hook and forget about all the things they have done over the past 2 years...

"You Murderous Hypocrites": Outrage Ensues After The Atlantic Suggests 'Amnesty' For Pandemic Authoritarians | ZeroHedge

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"We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID," writes Brown Professor Emily Oster - a huge lockdown proponent, who now pleads from mercy from the once-shunned.

"Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward," she continues.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Masks for the chickens?

"Possibility Of Additional Outbreaks:" Bird Flu Strikes Iowa Egg Farm With Million Hens | ZeroHedge

"We have been preparing for the possibility of additional outbreaks," working closely with producers and the US Department of Agriculture.

"With migration ongoing, we continue to emphasize the need for strict biosecurity on poultry farms and around backyard flocks to help prevent and limit the spread of this destructive virus."
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Oh I missed this...

All chickens at the facility were culled and disposed of to avoid spreading the disease. Iowa has been hit hard by bird losses this year, with more than 13 million killed. On a national level, 47.7 million birds have been affected in 43 states.
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Does this same practice work with COVID? Is that all we had to do to stop the spread?

In late September, we noted there was concern that the fall migration of wild birds could spread the virus. That appears to be correct.
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Then why cull the chickens if it won't stop the spread?
 
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So is bird flu the new pandemic?

UK Orders All Poultry And Captive Birds Indoors Amid "Largest Ever" Bird Flu Outbreak | ZeroHedge

It comes after the national risk of bird flu in wild birds was raised to 'very high', and the whole of Great Britain was made a bird flu prevention zone two weeks ago.

Chief veterinary officer Christine Middlemiss said: "We are now facing this year the largest ever outbreak of bird flu and are seeing rapid escalation in the number of cases on commercial farms and in backyard birds across England. -Sky News
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So again, wild birds...so they have to move all birds indoors. Yet, I just posted an article about a large indoor facility in Iowa and they still had an outbreak. So moving the birds indoors isn't the answer, either.
 
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