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McDad said:
What rents are you finding relative to amenities and size?
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$1000-1400/month PER PERSON. (He already had two planned roommates, maybe three). Yes, $3000-4500/month for a 3-4 BR in the vicinity of campus/downtown, and most everything was already rented for next year.

Fortunately, we found an alternate solution.
 
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government still governmenting...

the disaster continues

Laid Low by the COVID Vaccine, Now They've Got a Bad Case of Federal Unresponsiveness

But as Fox would soon learn, the government has two starkly different injury programs for vaccines. One operates like a civil court with a neutral judge, lawyers on both sides, and a guaranteed right of appeal. In recent decades, it has approved about 75% of claims and pays out hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

The other, which handles COVID-19 vaccines, has rejected almost every claim brought to it, awarding less than $10,000 since the pandemic. And in a nation nearly numb to the pandemic's toll and its scandals, the program is adding seething frustration atop lasting injury to Fox and people like her in a little reported aftermath to the government’s much criticized performance on vaccines – ranging from erratic booster advice to broad-brush vaccine mandates that cost people their jobs.

It’s not a judicial process either. Rather, it’s an administrative process overseen by Health Resources and Services Administration, which is housed within Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). People file a claim and government medical reviewers decide whether to pay out or not. That’s an awkward arrangement, given that HHS is deciding whether to pay for damages caused by products it approved and in some cases mandated.
 
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volinbham said:
government still governmenting...

the disaster continues

Laid Low by the COVID Vaccine, Now They've Got a Bad Case of Federal Unresponsiveness

But as Fox would soon learn, the government has two starkly different injury programs for vaccines. One operates like a civil court with a neutral judge, lawyers on both sides, and a guaranteed right of appeal. In recent decades, it has approved about 75% of claims and pays out hundreds of millions of dollars per year.

The other, which handles COVID-19 vaccines, has rejected almost every claim brought to it, awarding less than $10,000 since the pandemic. And in a nation nearly numb to the pandemic's toll and its scandals, the program is adding seething frustration atop lasting injury to Fox and people like her in a little reported aftermath to the government’s much criticized performance on vaccines – ranging from erratic booster advice to broad-brush vaccine mandates that cost people their jobs.

It’s not a judicial process either. Rather, it’s an administrative process overseen by Health Resources and Services Administration, which is housed within Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). People file a claim and government medical reviewers decide whether to pay out or not. That’s an awkward arrangement, given that HHS is deciding whether to pay for damages caused by products it approved and in some cases mandated.
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I think at one point @RockyTop85 referenced the 2 different injury programs.

It might have been in the larger context of whether there was legal recourse with regards to the vaccine.

I don’t remember exactly what he had to say. Maybe he’ll weigh in here. But HHS rejecting claims sounds questionable.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I think at one point @RockyTop85 referenced the 2 different injury programs.

It might have been in the larger context of whether there was legal recourse with regards to the vaccine.

I don’t remember exactly what he had to say. Maybe he’ll weigh in here. But HHS rejecting claims sounds questionable.
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Just said that all vaccines are underwritten by the government.

If they’re making it hard to prove a case of injury due to Covid vaccines, then they’re not equivalent programs.

There are probably legitimate contributing factors and I’d take anything from that site with a grain of salt, but $10,000 seems way low even just extrapolating the results of the initial study and the number of doses administered.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Just said that all vaccines are underwritten by the government.

If they’re making it hard to prove a case of injury due to Covid vaccines, then they’re not equivalent programs.

There are probably legitimate contributing factors and I’d take anything from that site with a grain of salt, but $10,000 seems way low even just extrapolating the results of the initial study and the number of doses administered.
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Do you know why some vaccines are covered under one injury program and not the other?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Do you know why some vaccines are covered under one injury program and not the other?
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the article referenced something connect to the Patriot Act?

one difference is the original program was aimed at de-risking pharma companies from lawsuits; instead of suing the pharma companies you go this route. in the case of the Covid vax they outright granted a liability shield from lawsuits so there is no where else to go.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Just said that all vaccines are underwritten by the government.

If they’re making it hard to prove a case of injury due to Covid vaccines, then they’re not equivalent programs.

There are probably legitimate contributing factors and I’d take anything from that site with a grain of salt, but $10,000 seems way low even just extrapolating the results of the initial study and the number of doses administered.
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this is the data they used

Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) Data | HRSA

looks like 4 total claims have been paid with the highest being just under $4K

20 are awaiting compensation

just over 8700 claims submitted for injury/death from Covid vaccine
 
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85SugarVol said:
Do you know why some vaccines are covered under one injury program and not the other?
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Just what I vaguely remember from when I was looking at it last year. It’s because most vaccines are FDA approved and that was a component of the system that was set up in the 1980’s to incentivize pharma companies to keep investing in vaccines. The Covid compensation plan was authorized via the PREP act for the EUA.

But I’m not sure if someone turning 18 and getting their approved first dose now would fall under the larger vaccine injury compensation program or this. I’m equally unsure if someone for whom the vaccine is now FDA approved, complaining of an injury resulting from an EUA administered dose would be eligible under the original program or this. There are rules for that but the Code of Federal Regulations is a really big book.
 
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volinbham said:
this is the data they used

Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) Data | HRSA

looks like 4 total claims have been paid with the highest being just under $4K

20 are awaiting compensation

just over 8700 claims submitted for injury/death from Covid vaccine
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volinbham said:
this is the data they used

Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) Data | HRSA

looks like 4 total claims have been paid with the highest being just under $4K

20 are awaiting compensation

just over 8700 claims submitted for injury/death from Covid vaccine
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Looks like they’re slow, but not applying an impossible standard.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Are those the totals?

1,376 of 1,441 denied - if so, seems a pretty high hurdle to clear. 95% rejection rate.
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Look at the reasons for rejections.

Missed the deadline to file. Failed to supply evidence. Product not covered. That’s 75% of the denials.

Leas than 30% of the cases made it to the merits and 20% of those about were deemed eligible. That seems plausible given that we have a whole thread on this forum of a guy posting random deaths that he believes are attributable to the vaccine.

Of those eligible, many people didn’t submit paperwork showing their damages.

There’s still room for that to be a bad system, but it looks more like people being asked to do what’s necessary and failing to do what they’re asked.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Look at the reasons for rejections.

Missed the deadline to file. Failed to supply evidence. Product not covered. That’s 75% of the denials.

Leas than 30% of the cases made it to the merits and 20% of those about were deemed eligible. That seems plausible given that we have a whole thread on this forum of a guy posting random deaths that he believes are attributable to the vaccine.

Of those eligible, many people didn’t submit paperwork showing their damages.

There’s still room for that to be a bad system, but it looks more like people failing to do what they’re asked.
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Yea I read the subtotals.

The largest reason code was the missed deadline. I guess that’s strictly enforced.
Not submitting the med records seems stupid and lazy considering the circumstances.

2nd largest reason code was just a “no” answer. About a quarter of the claims.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea I read the subtotals.

The largest reason code was the missed deadline. I guess that’s strictly enforced.
Not submitting the med records seems stupid and lazy considering the circumstances.

2nd largest reason code was just a “no” answer. About a quarter of the claims.
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If the government says you have a year from onset to apply and you apply after 375 days they’re going to deny you. It works that way for everything I’ve ever had experience with. I’ve filed a few victim compensation act claims in Tennessee and it’s the same way. They want documentation of every dollar you ask for and they pay only what you provide and they keep asking for more records. It’s a pain in the ass but anything less is irresponsible. And doctors offices were a pain in the ass to deal with.

An 80/20 denial/pay rate for a relatively new vaccine about which there is an outspoken minority that blames it for everything doesn’t seem that far fetched to me. But it does leave room for it to be a bad system.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yea I read the subtotals.

The largest reason code was the missed deadline. I guess that’s strictly enforced.
Not submitting the med records seems stupid and lazy considering the circumstances.

2nd largest reason code was just a “no” answer. About a quarter of the claims.
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Also, once they ask for hospital bills that you actually paid before they send the money to you, a lot of people lose interest.
 
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