Leftist Violence Against Peaceful Trump Rallies

[Carl Pickens]

The chick with the orange hat needs her ass kicked in a bad way

 

[Serene]

words are important

I 100% agree that words are important. I personally believe in complete nonviolence where at all possible. I don't agree with assaulting others based on their beliefs. But the person I replied to said, quote, "I'd like to also reemphasize my belief that if you're protesting..ANYTHING..you have no life and are a dummy." He went on to imply that if you protest, you're not an American. None of his posts mentioned or implied violence being a part of it; he's simply saying that good Americans don't protest. I don't think that is backed up by the writings or actions of the Founding Fathers. Do you disagree?

 

[utvolpj]

I 100% agree that words are important. I personally believe in complete nonviolence where at all possible. I don't agree with assaulting others based on their beliefs. But the person I replied to said, quote, "I'd like to also reemphasize my belief that if you're protesting..ANYTHING..you have no life and are a dummy." He went on to imply that if you protest, you're not an American. None of his posts mentioned or implied violence being a part of it; he's simply saying that good Americans don't protest. I don't think that is backed up by the writings or actions of the Founding Fathers. Do you disagree?

protesting accomplishes very little with the size that govt has been allowed to reach. Add in the pure idiocy of those currently participating and it's hard to disagree.

The people "protesting" now are not doing it for any reason besides chaos and violence. They need to be shut down swiftly. Addressing the govt is also in the first. Doubtful many have read that far though

 

[Serene]

protesting accomplishes very little with the size that govt has been allowed to reach. Add in the pure idiocy of those currently participating and it's hard to disagree.

The people "protesting" now are not doing it for any reason besides chaos and violence. They need to be shut down swiftly. Addressing the govt is also in the first. Doubtful many have read that far though

I don't think some subjective measure of how effective someone thinks protests are should negate our right to protest. If we want to go that route, let's amend the Constitution. I'd argue that protests now are likely much more effective than national protests could have been back when the Constitution was written; they're much easier to organize and draw attention to in the age of television and the Internet.

Just to be sure, you're also arguing that the people protesting election fraud are just protesting to cause chaos and violence?

 

[utvolpj]

I don't think some subjective measure of how effective someone thinks protests are should negate our right to protest. If we want to go that route, let's amend the Constitution. I'd argue that protests now are likely much more effective than national protests could have been back when the Constitution was written; they're much easier to organize and draw attention to in the age of television and the Internet.

Just to be sure, you're also arguing that the people protesting election fraud are just protesting to cause chaos and violence?

There is no right to protest as I quoted for you earlier

The past few months have been filled with assemblies whose purpose was nothing but violence and chaos and looting. That was their goal and that is not protected in this country.

I think the people protesting election fraud are likely morons too. If it was perpetrated on the level they claim then they are powerless to ever stop it.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

If you can allow me to victim blame for a moment, but if I go to a Trump rally nowadays in this present environment, I am going there with the attitude that I will likely meet some ANTIFA/BLM counterprotesters and I have to be in the mindset of being ready to defend myself or even go on the offensive. I think you had far too many there that were just going there to have a good time and not realize that we have had a bunch of Bolsheviks and street goons terrorizing cities over the last 6 months.

This is a very valid point. No excuse for not knowing what time it is now...time for talk has come and gone in these situations. I would gladly go to a Trump rally like that, and have my head on a swivel...but I would never let my wife or daughter go with me because I could not guarantee their safety should numbers get badly out of my favor without shooting and killing folks. This is just common sense by now.

Oh, do not tell the lemmings, they may soon find out LOL. That they do not understand simple economics.....or are aware of anything going on around them nor any comprehension of how all these things are connected.

Oh, what may be coming is going to be harsh , sad and devastating for all, well, 99%, only sympathy and empathy for some of that 99%.

Despite his personality and flaws, Trump had this economy roaring and poised to roar for 4 more years...the Biden Recession will be immediate and brutal I fear. Just yesterday China inked a huge Asian trade deal with 15 other countries...they will attack us in every way besides live rounds and nukes. Because they know that they can...and they will undermine our economy while Biden runs it straight into the ground with Doubling the corporate tax rate etc...what a piece of sheit he is...despicable human being.

 

[lostsheep]

This is a very valid point. No excuse for not knowing what time it is now...time for talk has come and gone in these situations. I would gladly go to a Trump rally like that, and have my head on a swivel...but I would never let my wife or daughter go with me because I could not guarantee their safety should numbers get badly out of my favor without shooting and killing folks. This is just common sense by now.




Despite his personality and flaws, Trump had this economy roaring and poised to roar for 4 more years...the Biden Recession will be immediate and brutal I fear. Just yesterday China inked a huge Asian trade deal with 15 other countries...they will attack us in every way besides live rounds and nukes. Because they know that they can...and they will undermine our economy while Biden runs it straight into the ground with Doubling the corporate tax rate etc...what a piece of sheit he is...despicable human being.

Haha. Straight from trump's fear-mongering playbook!

 

[DancingOutlaw]

The chick with the orange hat needs her ass kicked in a bad way

And again, 50 on 2 and they can only take cheap shots and attack from behind. Meanwhile dudes trailing them are looking for whatever they can steal.

Are we sure Biden won?

 

[Serene]

There is no right to protest as I quoted for you earlier

The past few months have been filled with assemblies whose purpose was nothing but violence and chaos and looting. That was their goal and that is not protected in this country.

I think the people protesting election fraud are likely morons too. If it was perpetrated on the level they claim then they are powerless to ever stop it.

Right--I didn't mean to have a semantic debate with you. As I mentioned earlier, I support explicitly nonviolent protest. So when I say protest, I'm just saving some words so I don't always have to say "peaceable protest". And while the First Amendment doesn't explicitly say "right to protest", I hope we can agree that since it does provide for a "right to speak . . . their sentiments" and protects "peaceably assembling", those two rights together can form the basis of protecting nonviolent protest.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

Haha. Straight from trump's fear-mongering playbook!

You have to love a Trumper. Calls Biden a despicable human being, but loves him some Trump. He's like a poster boy for the dumbing down of America

 

[utvolpj]

Right--I didn't mean to have a semantic debate with you. As I mentioned earlier, I support explicitly nonviolent protest. So when I say protest, I'm just saving some words so I don't always have to say "peaceable protest". And while the First Amendment doesn't explicitly say "right to protest", I hope we can agree that since it does provide for a "right to speak . . . their sentiments" and protects "peaceably assembling", those two rights together can form the basis of protecting nonviolent protest.

Not sure what you're really trying to discuss. The "protests" for the past few months have been anything but peaceful. That would make them unlawful yet one side seems to be ok with them continuing and does not challenge them. This is absolutely not what the FF envisioned

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Why do people care what Chapman says?

He is a druggie thief whose own parents and kids dont even love him

Typical. Ignore the video attack the source.

 

[Delmar]

I'd like to also reemphasize my belief that if you're protesting..ANYTHING..you have no life and are a dummy.

This is America. You literally have it better than anyone on the face of the earth has ever had it in earths history.

Amen to that. I have decided there are a lot of people who evidently don’t have enough to do. I’ve never experienced that feeling since I got out of college 44 years ago. Maybe when I retire but not now. Don’t have time to aimlessly wander the streets whining about how I got screwed on something.

 

[Boca Vol]

The chick with the orange hat needs her ass kicked in a bad way

When you allow behavior like this to go unpunished as we've seen since May it's never going to go away.

 

[Serene]

Not sure what you're really trying to discuss. The "protests" for the past few months have been anything but peaceful. That would make them unlawful yet one side seems to be ok with them continuing and does not challenge them. This is absolutely not what the FF envisioned

Well, you replied to me replying to someone else saying that protesting was un-American. I disagreed with them and pointed out that Founding Fathers intended for protest to be a fundamental right, so calling people who protest un-American seems to be misguided. You brought up violence, which I immediately condemned (and clarified that I was talking about peaceful protest), but you still seem to be fixated on the violence aspect. I've already clarified that I don't agree with violent protest, so I don't really understand what your argument is at this point. I never specifically mentioned protests over the last couple of months; the only specific protest I spoke to was about election fraud protests to gauge your point of view. The discussion was more about the philosophy of protest in general, not about specific protests (even though I don't agree with your premise that all, or most, protests over the last few months have been violent on a scale to justify curtailing our First Amendment rights).

 

[Delmar]

You have to love a Trumper. Calls Biden a despicable human being, but loves him some Trump. He's like a poster boy for the dumbing down of America

Yep. In the category of despicable human beings, it would be very difficult to out-despicable Trump. Never seen a more reprehensible person that only cares about himself. And I decided that well before he became President.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Typical. Ignore the video attack the source.

I don't agree with the video either, as i have 100% said every time regardless of which political side it is, anyone who physically assaults someone because of something they said or because they disagree politically with them, is an emotional child and a criminal.
But Rex Chapman is a s*** human being

 

[hndog609]

The discussion was more about the philosophy of protest in general, not about specific protests (even though I don't agree with your premise that all, or most, protests over the last few months have been violent on a scale to justify curtailing our First Amendment rights).

I believe I speak for a great majority here when I say there's precious little interest in "curtailing our First Amendment rights". I think a lot of people are sympathetic to the idea that anyone engaging in a violent or destructive manner shouldn't be regarded as acting under the umbrella of said right or be afforded any protections associated with that right.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Well, you replied to me replying to someone else saying that protesting was un-American. I disagreed with them and pointed out that Founding Fathers intended for protest to be a fundamental right, so calling people who protest un-American seems to be misguided. You brought up violence, which I immediately condemned (and clarified that I was talking about peaceful protest), but you still seem to be fixated on the violence aspect. I've already clarified that I don't agree with violent protest, so I don't really understand what your argument is at this point. I never specifically mentioned protests over the last couple of months; the only specific protest I spoke to was about election fraud protests to gauge your point of view. The discussion was more about the philosophy of protest in general, not about specific protests (even though I don't agree with your premise that all, or most, protests over the last few months have been violent on a scale to justify curtailing our First Amendment rights).

I think 99% of protests are useless virtue signalling, however it is every American's right to do so..

I think we should all agree that:
-blocking traffic and roads
-chasing people and assaulting them
-throwing items at people
-threatening others
-rioting/looting
-arson
-vandalism, tearing down statues, spraypainting things, breaking windows, hitting cars

are NOT protesting, but are criminal acts which deserve punishment

 

[Serene]

I believe I speak for a great majority here when I say there's precious little interest in "curtailing our First Amendment rights". I think a lot of people are sympathetic to the idea that anyone engaging in a violent or destructive manner shouldn't be regarded as acting under the umbrella of said right or be afforded any protections associated with that right.

I completely agree. Burglary, theft, arson, and assault are not protected by the first amendment. I don't agree with people doing these things. However, I don't think the fact that some protests devolve into senseless violence and crime means that we shouldn't be able to hold peaceable protests.

 

[CABVOL]

Why do people care what Chapman says?

He is a druggie thief whose own parents and kids dont even love him

Ole Rex married a girl from the county I live in. We are all aware of what Mr Chapman is all about.

McGrath even had him on an ad of hers running up to the election. Needless to say, that ad only ran a couple of times. Don’t believe it had the affect they thought it would.

 

[golfballs]

Why are there so many pedos in the ANTIFA/BLM crowd?

 

[hndog609]

I completely agree. Burglary, theft, arson, and assault are not protected by the first amendment. I don't agree with people doing these things. However, I don't think the fact that some protests devolve into senseless violence and crime means that we shouldn't be able to hold peaceable protests.

Totally agree but the boldened needs to be parsed out and addressed accordingly. This kind of lunacy



needs to be removed from the national mindset. (though it's begat some pretty awesome parody memes)

 

[marcusluvsvols]

BTW, my Dad was a full bird colonel with 26 years served and my Pappaw was a Master Sergeant who served 26 years Air Force as well... how the Hell did you serve and still end up a liberal pussboy? Must have been stationed in California, Oregon, or Washington and soaked up too much Liberal ignorant ideologies while you were there? Dad was all over. Denver, SLC, San Antonio, Virgina...never ran into any idiot liberals who who served under him growing up...maybe they were, but if so they hid it well.
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I find it amazing for a liberal to decry other folks as "dumbed down", as in order to back the liberal ideologies a person has to be terrible at math concerning the budget and economy, taxes, "free everything" ...the list of terrible and impossible ideas and promises by Dimwits... then there is the complete lack of knowledge regarding WW2 that is needed to ever draw parallels between Trump and Hitler , or simply conservatives and Nazis or fascists. ...nobody with a brain could buy into the obvious flaws and poor math that is peddled by Dimwit politicians.

To have served this country in any capacity and then support these self described Socialists trying to hoodwink our country into Communism and rapid self destruction is on par with treason. My Pappaw who recently died as well as my Dad would both be rolling over in their graves if they knew that a bullsheit Marxist BurnLootMurder organization was destroying American cities while nobody would even try to stop them...due to orders from Dimwits to "stand down ". ...they both spent their entire careers fighting the cold war AGAINST these ideologies...including being stationed in the Philippines during Korea and loading bombs on planes all day to be dropped on Korea trying to stop the spread of this evil idea called Communism that the very people you support are trying to inflict upon America today.

You are a disgrace to your screen name, the USAF, this country and the men who founded it....as well as the many men and women who still serve today. Hopefully one day you and your ilk will grow up and come to understand that conservatives are trying to save this republic from the destruction, while the liberals are trying to remake our precious nation as another doomed to fail socialist state like Venezuela or the USSR....

 

[CABVOL]

BTW, my Dad was a full bird colonel with 26 years served and my Pappaw was a Master Sergeant who served 26 years Air Force as well... how the Hell did you serve and still end up a liberal pussboy? Must have been stationed in California, Oregon, or Washington and soaked up too much Liberal ignorant ideologies while you were there? Dad was all over. Denver, SLC, San Antonio, Virgina...never ran into any idiot liberals who who served under him growing up...maybe they were, but if so they hid it well.
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I find it amazing for a liberal to decry other folks as "dumbed down", as in order to back the liberal ideologies a person has to be terrible at math concerning the budget and economy, taxes, "free everything" ...the list of terrible and impossible ideas and promises by Dimwits... then there is the complete lack of knowledge regarding WW2 that is needed to ever draw parallels between Trump and Hitler , or simply conservatives and Nazis or fascists. ...nobody with a brain could buy into the obvious flaws and poor math that is peddled by Dimwit politicians.

To have served this country in any capacity and then support these self described Socialists trying to hoodwink our country into Communism and rapid self destruction is on par with treason. My Pappaw who recently died as well as my Dad would both be rolling over in their graves if they knew that a bullsheit Marxist BurnLootMurder organization was destroying American cities while nobody would even try to stop them...due to orders from Dimwits to "stand down ". ...they both spent their entire careers fighting the cold war AGAINST these ideologies...including being stationed in the Philippines during Korea and loading bombs on planes all day to be dropped on Korea trying to stop the spread of this evil idea called Communism that the very people you support are trying to inflict upon America today.

You are a disgrace to your screen name, the USAF, this country and the men who founded it....as well as the many men and women who still serve today. Hopefully one day you and your ilk will grow up and come to understand that conservatives are trying to save this republic from the destruction, while the liberals are trying to remake our precious nation as another doomed to fail socialist state like Venezuela or the USSR....

The “pilot” was a quartermaster.