Legalization of weed in TN

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Rickyvol77 said:
I am just pointing out why things like that are illegal
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And I was pointing out the same reasoning you gave could (and has) be used to support the criminalization of the possession, manufacture, and distribution of.... alcohol.

Are the dots starting to connect for you?
 
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MercyPercy said:
And I was pointing out the same reasoning you gave could (and has) be used to support the criminalization of the possession, manufacture, and distribution of.... alcohol.

Are the dots starting to connect for you?
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They could be the same reasoning. But I support People not being able to drive drunk or be overly intoxicated from beer or open containers too. I support making weed just like beer
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They could be the same reasoning. But I support People not being able to drive drunk or be overly intoxicated from beer or open containers too. I support making weed just like beer
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Drunk driving and driving while high is already illegal, but alcohol is totally legal. So again, what's the difference here?

And just weed? You think MDMA causes more societal harm than alcohol? I thought you weren't for banning anything?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Drunk driving and driving while high is already illegal, but alcohol is totally legal. So again, what's the difference here?

And just weed? You think MDMA causes more societal harm than alcohol? I thought you weren't for banning anything?
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How do you think most arrests for weed happen? I’ve been in L.E. 20 yrs and I have never ever arrested or cited someone for a joint in their house. It’s because they are high driving. Or have a blunt in their car while also stealing things or have an illegal gun. Or a bag of weed along with bags of heroin and pills and meth. It’s not the fact that they “have a joint” that’s the issue. Alcohol isn’t allowed to be in cars in open containers either
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How do you think most arrests for weed happen? I’ve been in L.E. 20 yrs and I have never ever arrested or cited someone for a joint in their house. It’s because they are high driving. Or have a blunt in their car while also stealing things or have an illegal gun. Or a bag of weed along with bags of heroin and pills and meth. It’s not the fact that they “have a joint” that’s the issue. Alcohol isn’t allowed to be in cars in open containers either
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What do you think my point is? Are we having the same conversation?

You: this is why x is illegal

Me: y is legal even though it is just as or more harmful than x, so why is x banned

You: you can't drive under the influence of y

How does that follow?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
stigma because they CHOSE to be felons....no one made them kill someone, rape someone, steal, deal drugs, causing an accident because they were high/drunk...

There is a reason that people don't hire or like felons, and it's not because of "stigma", its because they are very likely to commit further criminal acts....

The moral of the story is don't be a felon
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once they have served their time punishment, shouldn't they be free of stigma and any handicaps? if not seems like you are punishing them beyond the scope of the law/justice. That felon/law thing goes both ways. if they serve their time and punishment they should be free and clear. just like if you obey they laws you shouldn't be bothered. but we all know that neither of those actually happen.
 
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MercyPercy said:
What do you think my point is? Are we having the same conversation?

You: this is why x is illegal

Me: y is legal even though it is just as or more harmful than x, so why is x banned

You: you can't drive under the influence of y

How does that follow?
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My point was that alcohol though legal is still illegal in several different ways. How you transport it, how it’s made, how you use it. Weed being legal (which is fine w me) doesn’t change anything with how people are arrested for it other than being able to use it at home
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
but you are talking about conviction, not the arrest...the confiscation happens at the arrest, not necessarily after the conviction...
law enforcement holds a lot of items as evidence depending on the case, you are saying this shouldn't be
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evidence is not confiscation at all. either that or cops have been profiting from evidence for a LONG time, and anyone should see that as wrong.
 
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LouderVol said:
once they have served their time punishment, shouldn't they be free of stigma and any handicaps? if not seems like you are punishing them beyond the scope of the law/justice. That felon/law thing goes both ways. if they serve their time and punishment they should be free and clear. just like if you obey they laws you shouldn't be bothered. but we all know that neither of those actually happen.
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but you are saying it’s wrong for people to want to know that someone they hire or marry or live with or whatever used to be in prison. I think it is wise and sensible to know that. Not to “harass or abuse” the person following their release but to be aware for obvious reasons

If someone goes to rent a house and you run background check and find he has been arrested 10 times for theft, fake checks, arson etc. why would you rent a house to him? I don’t care what his punishment was. Only a moron would think that’s a good idea.
 
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hog88 said:
Nobody, and I mean nobody should have their money or property taken or froze until they have been convicted of a crime.
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Excuse me? The criminals are more than happy to use their blood money in the plea agreement. Screw the dirtbags, dont sell poison
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
yes it would...people who didnt want to be licensed or didnt want to owe money to a brothel owner, or simply wanted to do it would do it on the street, legal or not
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but it would provide an alternative.

for women, or men, who had no way to earn money but to sell their bodies. or heck its what they want to do. they now have a legal option. that offers all the protections from everything you mentioned as bad. thats an improvement if these people now can operate safely and securely.

no legal goods and services are 100%. there's a black market for everything. you can pirate music. should streaming be illegal because you could do the same thing illegally?
porn is legal. and its a couple twisted lawyer phrases from prostitution.
Rx drug use is legal. comes with plenty of warnings about "don't use heavy machinery"

this is just spreading an existing umbrella to cover a wider variety of topics so that people can more safely do what is already happening legally. IMO this does more good than harm.
 
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tim said:
Excuse me? The criminals are more than happy to use their blood money in the plea agreement. Screw the dirtbags, dont sell poison
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If “dirtbags” selling poison were the only people it hurt I’d agree with you but we both know that isn’t the case.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
yes it would...people who didnt want to be licensed or didnt want to owe money to a brothel owner, or simply wanted to do it would do it on the street, legal or not
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happens in literally every legal field.

heck there are cops who break the laws and abuse their power. should we shut them down?
 
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