Legalization of weed in TN

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utvolpj said:
but then Tim won't have any fun
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Oh, Im done. I had a blast seizing criminals belongings. Seized homes, yachts, bank accounts, furniture, jewelry, planes, semi’s, tools, clothes, furs, cash and everything in between. And it was glorious.
 
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hog88 said:
You know the biggest reason felons re-offend?

They can't find work or housing! Once a person does their time their record should not punish them for life, if their crime was so heinous they deserve to punished forever keep them locked away.
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Not true at all. Reason they re-offend? They get caught. How many do they get away with
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
but you are saying it’s wrong for people to want to know that someone they hire or marry or live with or whatever used to be in prison. I think it is wise and sensible to know that. Not to “harass or abuse” the person following their release but to be aware for obvious reasons

If someone goes to rent a house and you run background check and find he has been arrested 10 times for theft, fake checks, arson etc. why would you rent a house to him? I don’t care what his punishment was. Only a moron would think that’s a good idea.
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depends. maybe I know the guy, and I know he is out of a harmful relationship and has steady work now.

and you are making an absurd statement to support your argument. How many criminals do you know have been locked away 10 times? take that number and compare it to the rest.

you are basing your arguments on the worst of the worse.

I am guessing by you being on this forum, and the inclusion of "vol" in your handle you are a UT fan. probably of football. Our players in the past have done some dog gone awful things in the past. and I bet you have supported those players and teams. cheering for them when they do good on the field. even while knowing that UT Football, the institution made it possible and likely, and supported the people, who did these awful terrible things?

seems like reasonable people are able to separate the two things. Good from the bad. no idea why it doesn't apply to the rest of life.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
My point was that alcohol though legal is still illegal in several different ways. How you transport it, how it’s made, how you use it. Weed being legal (which is fine w me) doesn’t change anything with how people are arrested for it other than being able to use it at home
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This literally has nothing to do with my point. You gave reasons why various substances were illegal, I stated that alcohol is legal even though those same reasons could be used to decide it should be illegal. I'm pointing out the cognitive dissonance with this viewpoint. I don't know what drunk driving being illegal has to do with that. If anything, it strengthens my own point that we should punish those who cause harm to person or property (checkpoints are ********, by the way), instead of blaming an inanimate substance. If you go the route of societal harm and want substances to be illegal to prevent that harm, I want you to be consistent.
 
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tim said:
Not true at all. Reason they re-offend? They get caught. How many do they get away with
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how many of your brothers in blue are guilty as sin, and only keep the badge because they have been protected by the same system that locks people away?

you have an incredibly myopic view that all people found guilty are terrible terrible people. but if you aren't caught? good on you.

by definition the most successful criminals never get caught.
 
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LouderVol said:
how many of your brothers in blue are guilty as sin, and only keep the badge because they have been protected by the same system that locks people away?

you have an incredibly myopic view that all people found guilty are terrible terrible people. but if you aren't caught? good on you.

by definition the most successful criminals never get caught.
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Nope. Ive arrested approximately a dozen cops. To me they’re criminals. Next bs argument?
 
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tim said:
Oh, Im done. I had a blast seizing criminals belongings. Seized homes, yachts, bank accounts, furniture, jewelry, planes, semi’s, tools, clothes, furs, cash and everything in between. And it was glorious.
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You ever slide a few bills in your pocket on the down low to help pay for your kid’s college tuition?
 
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LouderVol said:
how many of your brothers in blue are guilty as sin, and only keep the badge because they have been protected by the same system that locks people away?

you have an incredibly myopic view that all people found guilty are terrible terrible people. but if you aren't caught? good on you.

by definition the most successful criminals never get caught.
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I didn’t say all people found guilty are terrible people. There are people who truly made one mistake and will be rehabilitated. However as a normal functioning member of society I have a right to know what someone’s criminal history is if I’m going to marry them, hire them, rent to them. That doesn’t make me a bad person to be knowledgeable to make an informed decision

And as for the brother in blue comment if I saw an officer commit a crime, I would treat them the same I would with any other employee or citizen
 
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tim said:
Nope. Ive arrested approximately a dozen cops. To me they’re criminals. Next bs argument?
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So the presence of bad actors does not make a determination on the legality of the whole? Interesting. If only you were consistent in your beliefs.


Also good on you. I hope you got them all.
 
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LouderVol said:
So the presence of bad actors does not make a determination on the legality of the whole? Interesting. If only you were consistent in your beliefs.


Also good on you. I hope you got them all.
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Thanks for your approval. It means a lot.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I didn’t say all people found guilty are terrible people. There are people who truly made one mistake and will be rehabilitated. However as a normal functioning member of society I have a right to know what someone’s criminal history is if I’m going to marry them, hire them, rent to them. That doesn’t make me a bad person to be knowledgeable to make an informed decision

And as for the brother in blue comment if I saw an officer commit a crime, I would treat them the same I would with any other employee or citizen
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You are doing the same as Tim. You can excuse the police force it's bad actors. But some drug addicts completely ruin all drug users for you?

At some point a past crime has to become irrelevant. They stole some money from an old lady. Did their time. Got out and stayed clean for an equal period to their jail time. I dont see the crime as relevant. At some point you have to stop punishing them or there is no justice.
 
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LouderVol said:
You are doing the same as Tim. You can excuse the police force it's bad actors. But some drug addicts completely ruin all drug users for you?

At some point a past crime has to become irrelevant. They stole some money from an old lady. Did their time. Got out and stayed clean for an equal period to their jail time. I dont see the crime as relevant. At some point you have to stop punishing them or there is no justice.
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Yep. There needs to be more focus on rehab in prison and helping certain prisoners on how to become assets to society. Granted, I’m sure there’s a certain percentage of prisoners that can’t be fixed, but felons shouldn’t be stripped of all their rights. If they’ve paid their debt to society then they shouldn’t be second class citizens.
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. There needs to be more focus on rehab in prison and helping certain prisoners on how to become assets to society. Granted, I’m sure there’s a certain percentage of prisoners that can’t be fixed, but felons shouldn’t be stripped of all their rights. If they’ve paid their debt to society then they shouldn’t be second class citizens.
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Exactly the current system isnt justice or safety considering the recidivism.
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. There needs to be more focus on rehab in prison and helping certain prisoners on how to become assets to society. Granted, I’m sure there’s a certain percentage of prisoners that can’t be fixed, but felons shouldn’t be stripped of all their rights. If they’ve paid their debt to society then they shouldn’t be second class citizens.
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I agree 100% with you. But, with the advent of for profit prisons, do you think they give a damn about rehabilitation? I knew a deceased former exec with Core Civic who admitted they didn't. It's pretty much "Hurry back boys, we look forward to seeing you again."
 
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LouderVol said:
You are doing the same as Tim. You can excuse the police force it's bad actors. But some drug addicts completely ruin all drug users for you?

At some point a past crime has to become irrelevant. They stole some money from an old lady. Did their time. Got out and stayed clean for an equal period to their jail time. I dont see the crime as relevant. At some point you have to stop punishing them or there is no justice.
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actually i have helped former addicts get clean and get jobs...that is not the point i am making...i dont judge ALL people who have ever committed crimes as bad people...some truly made stupid mistakes as a kid or while they were on drugs and now they are clean...MY point is that it's not wrong to still have the information that people had committed crimes just like any other part of a back ground check....

people make bad mistakes stealing, they also make bad mistakes like going into massive amounts of debt, foreclosing on homes, getting their license suspended, being unable to get licensed or bonded or certified for certain jobs...some people have been fired for incompetence or for never showing up on time...ALL of these (including criminal records) should be available or asked about by employers, renters, whatever because it IS a factor in them making a decision to hire, rent, marry whatever....it's not as simple as saying Billy bob may have raped a kid or robbed a little old lady at gunpoint, but he served his time so expunge it off his record
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. There needs to be more focus on rehab in prison and helping certain prisoners on how to become assets to society. Granted, I’m sure there’s a certain percentage of prisoners that can’t be fixed, but felons shouldn’t be stripped of all their rights. If they’ve paid their debt to society then they shouldn’t be second class citizens.
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what rights are they stripped of exactly? outside of not being able to vote in some states
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
Unfortunately weed will eventually be legalized and the huge corporations will control the market just like cigs and alcohol and the medical and social costs will exponentially skyrocket. If there's money to be made the government and industry don't give 2 hoots in hell about the human damage. I watched it almost ruin my sons life.
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With all due respect to you and your son, marijuana didn't almost ruin your son's life. He did that to himself. If you believe it's unfortunate that weed will be legalized, then surely you have the same opinion of alcohol and tobacco, and marijuana doesn't cause a physical dependency as alcohol and tobacco
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
With all due respect to you and your son, marijuana didn't almost ruin your son's life. He did that to himself. If you believe it's unfortunate that weed will be legalized, then surely you have the same opinion of alcohol and tobacco, and marijuana doesn't cause a physical dependency as alcohol and tobacco
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I believe drug use is a choice but addiction is not. Marijuana can be addictive and to say it is not flies in the face of science
 
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