Legit Question for the More Liberal on Here

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BigPapaVol said:
I'm seriously curious, are any of you even remotely happy with the Obama administration at this point?
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1) I wish the administration had been much more organized about what is in the stimulus bill. I think criticisms of them for not laying it out clearly are valid. Would have been a good idea I think to segment the bill into short-term and long term, tax breaks, incentive programs -- just something that made the ratios of spending easier to understand.

2) As a bonus of #1 above, I think it would have been an easier "sell."

3) Geithner's presentation the day after Obama's press conference was as awful as the press conference was good. I still can't get over this "Obama needs a teleprompter" nonsense. Is he better with one? Sure. But he's really pretty good without one.

4) Obama is allowing himself to be portrayed by the conservative commentators as uber-liberal. He's allowing that exaggeration to take place, even though he's not nearly as left as he is being painted by them. The Republican party is at a cross-roads because of this. You can tell that a number of them either like Obama or at least that they can live with him and work with him. But, they are being marginalized by the viciousness of the commentators, who count large audiences among their listeners. Hope the more level headed win this war within the Republican party. We've seen how their counterpats on the left (Moveon or Michael Moore) can cause the same problems on the opposite end of the spectrum with this "You are either for us or against us" mentality.

Overall, I'd say that Obama's main problem so far has been some naivete and some poor planning on releasing information public relations.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Please tell me you're kidding about voting for Obama because he would shut down Gitmo.

I'm not a liberal, but right now I would give Obama a 50 on a grading scale of 0-100. When his Spending Bill fails and America suffers another terrorist attack, it will be a -125.
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When? Don't you mean if? This is classic right wing fear tactics.
 
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lawgator1 said:
1) I wish the administration had been much more organized about what is in the stimulus bill. I think criticisms of them for not laying it out clearly are valid. Would have been a good idea I think to segment the bill into short-term and long term, tax breaks, incentive programs -- just something that made the ratios of spending easier to understand.

2) As a bonus of #1 above, I think it would have been an easier "sell."

3) Geithner's presentation the day after Obama's press conference was as awful as the press conference was good. I still can't get over this "Obama needs a teleprompter" nonsense. Is he better with one? Sure. But he's really pretty good without one.

4) Obama is allowing himself to be portrayed by the conservative commentators as uber-liberal. He's allowing that exaggeration to take place, even though he's not nearly as left as he is being painted by them. The Republican party is at a cross-roads because of this. You can tell that a number of them either like Obama or at least that they can live with him and work with him. But, they are being marginalized by the viciousness of the commentators, who count large audiences among their listeners. Hope the more level headed win this war within the Republican party. We've seen how their counterpats on the left (Moveon or Michael Moore) can cause the same problems on the opposite end of the spectrum with this "You are either for us or against us" mentality.

Overall, I'd say that Obama's main problem so far has been some naivete and some poor planning on releasing information public relations.
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It seems when he wants to make a splash something else comes along and trumps him.
 
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So you are conceding these things are going to happen. Nice......


I would give him a C at the moment. He has only been in office one month. Cries of gloom and doom from the right are ridiculous at this point. Closing Gitmo was a good thing. There was too much pork in the stimulus bill, but there are parts of it that are very good. The children's healthcare package is good. We needed it, regardless of what some of the right leaning experts in here think.
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Closing Gitmo is a mistaken attempt to appease pansy liberals and their European friends. The children's healthcare package is another entitlement program that will prove to be a mistake.

And, yes, I'm predicting the Spending Bill will fail and the American homeland will be hit with another devastating terrorist attack at some point during the Obama administration.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Closing Gitmo is a mistake attempt to appease pansy liberals and their European friends. The children's healthcare package is another entitlement program that will prove to be a mistake.

2) And, yes, I'm predicting the Spending Bill will fail and the American homeland will be hit with another devastating terrorist attack at some point during the Obama administration.
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:lolabove:

2) So, you're conceding our homeland to the terrorists, just because there is someone with a D in front of his name. Way to be an American there.
 
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2) So, you're conceding our homeland to the terrorists, just because there is someone with a D in front of his name. Way to be an American there.
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Thus far, it appears Obama will govern from the far left, and since the far left uses terms like "supposed terrorists," I'll just assume he doesn't take terrorism seriously.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Thus far, it appears Obama will govern from the far left, and since the far left uses terms like "supposed terrorists," I'll just assume he doesn't take terrorism seriously.
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Seriously? Do you really think that Obama doesn't take the possibility of an attack on the homeland seriously?
 
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Also gives you very little credibility
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How so? The first address he gives after taking office is on a Muslim network. He wants to sit down and talk with Iran without preconditions, which I feel will undoubtedly lead to concessions by the US. Obama=Chamberlain, Ahmadinejad=Hitler. History does tend to repeat itself.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Thus far, it appears Obama will govern from the far left, and since the far left uses terms like "supposed terrorists," I'll just assume he doesn't take terrorism seriously.
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That's really funny, because after looking at statements like this, I am assuming that I shouldn't take you seriously.
 
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I'll reserve judgement until September-October. He's avoided blundering mistakes, which is a good sign after a month.
 
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i say we don't really have a solid picure of obama until a year/year and a half from now. especially if the economy is your measuring stick. just my 2 cents.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I'll reserve judgement until September-October. He's avoided blundering mistakes, which is a good sign after a month.
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I'll second BPV. Exactly what mistakes has he avoided? Seems to me he has made quite a few.

I thought the make believe battle he waged over the stimulus package, which was a slam dunk to happen the day he stepped in office, made him look rather silly.
 
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Passing a bill of this size and scope is a political victory for Obama.

The question becomes, how is success judged?

If it is getting your agenda underway then he's rating pretty well.

If it is living up to campaign hype of a different kind of politics, bipartisanship, full transparency, etc. he's coming up short.

In reality - few of his opponents believed he would live up to the second definition of success.

As BPV asks, if you did buy into the second definition are you liking what you see?
 
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volinbham said:
Passing a bill of this size and scope is a political victory for Obama.

The question becomes, how is success judged?

1) If it is getting your agenda underway then he's rating pretty well.

2) If it is living up to campaign hype of a different kind of politics, bipartisanship, full transparency, etc. he's coming up short.

In reality - few of his opponents believed he would live up to the second definition of success.

As BPV asks, if you did buy into the second definition are you liking what you see?
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For #1, I'd say he's doing a good job.

For #2, he's certainly doing things differently. I gave a C, because he's done a thing or two I like, and some I don't like. However, it's only been a month, so I really can't give you a set in stone grade at this point.
 
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nickknx865 said:
For #1, I'd say he's doing a good job.

For #2, he's certainly doing things differently. I gave a C, because he's done a thing or two I like, and some I don't like. However, it's only been a month, so I really can't give you a set in stone grade at this point.
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Fair enough
 
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rjd970 said:
Some on here probably consider me pretty liberal and I am not happy with this 3-week performance evaluation. However, I wouldn't call it a complete disaster like everybody else wants to paint it as.

I would give him a fair grade for his economic team, I think it is pretty diverse from an democratic standpoint. There are a couple of free market thinkers in there that are capable.

And take away the pork and I think the context of his economic plan is right. I would say most on here would disagree with me, but I personally like the mix of spending and tax cuts. Other than the ridiculous pork, the biggest issue I have with it is the healthcare crap. If I have to live with the ridiculousness of TARP, I can live with everything else in Obama's plan. I just really wish the pork wasn't there and he would drop the healthcare entitlements he is pushing.

I simply don't have an opinion on the Gitmo thing.

Other than that, everything else is politics as usual in D.C. as far as I can see it.

If we are giving worthless 3 week grades for performance, I would say Obama is a "C" at this point, with plenty of room to go up or down when he faces his first security crises.
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Serious question to help me gauge where you stand, just how much of this bill do you consider pork?
 
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nickknx865 said:
For #1, I'd say he's doing a good job.

For #2, he's certainly doing things differently. I gave a C, because he's done a thing or two I like, and some I don't like. However, it's only been a month, so I really can't give you a set in stone grade at this point.
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Not being sarcastic but what has he done differently?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
which mistakes has he avoided?
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allvol123 said:
I'll second BPV. Exactly what mistakes has he avoided? Seems to me he has made quite a few.

I thought the make believe battle he waged over the stimulus package, which was a slam dunk to happen the day he stepped in office, made him look rather silly.
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Just no headlines asking - "What the heck is he doing?" type things. It's too early and he honestly hasn't been held to the fire yet.
 
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