Legit Question for the More Liberal on Here

#151
#151
JZVOL said:
I didn't say it was specifically Christian. I'm pointing out trying to disassociate God (mainly Christian God) from American politics and the country's beginnings is not accurate.

If Congress prays to God in a government building for guidance in government matters at the beginning of their meetings is that not a mix of religion and politics?

In fact it means to an extent our elected leaders have allowed God (as you said voluntarily) to influence their decisions and in turn influenced your life.
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You didn't answer the question because it is clearly the two over lapping.

What god do you think they are praying to?

Why did they choose to put "In God we trust" in the place where the house meets and makes decisions regarding the future of our nation?
 
#152
#152
rjd970 said:
Savage and JZ need to realize this. At a minimum, they seem like Christianity should be afforded special rights.

However, my point still stands. If the Christian God, or any religious principles, was supposed to part of governance in this country, they would have mentioned the concept in the constitution.
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I can see both sides here. The founding fathers left religious matters out of the constitution for a few reasons, one of the problems at the time was that there were people who ascribed to varying denominations of Christianity and allowing one to assume power could have led to a quick failure of our young nation. Our nation was however founded on Judeo Christian beliefs in a way, if only due to the background of the men who framed the constitution.
 
#153
#153
KB5252 said:
I can see both sides here. The founding fathers left religious matters out of the constitution for a few reasons, one of the problems at the time was that there were people who ascribed to varying denominations of Christianity and allowing one to assume power could have led to a quick failure of our young nation. Our nation was however founded on Judeo Christian beliefs in a way, if only due to the background of the men who framed the constitution.
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It was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, but they didn't want it to be a Judeo-Christian country.
 
#154
#154
rjd970 said:
It was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, but they didn't want it to be a Judeo-Christian country.
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True, but i would tend to think if they could see how we have let special interest groups become so powerful, which is exactly what they were trying to prevent with religious denominations, they would ask us what the hell we were thinking.
 
#155
#155
MG1968 said:
why has Obama broken his "sunshine before signing" promise, specifically in regard to the stimulus bill?

"emergency" can't be used as an excuse, after Sherrod Brown was flown in to cast the 60th vote, the bill sat for 2 1/2 days while Obama went on vacation (vacation, after less than a month on the job?). Even after his return to DC on Monday, he didn't sign it, preferring to wait til today when he could hop in Air Force 1 (again) and fly out to Denver for a photo-op during the signing.

definitely not Carter-esque, Carter at least had some semblance of personal honor. Obama is behaving more like a combination of Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton.
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none of our liberal friends has chosen to answer this one yet, so I'm going to bump it to the head of the line in the hopes that one of them can handle it.
 
#156
#156
MG1968 said:
none of our liberal friends has chosen to answer this one yet, so I'm going to bump it to the head of the line in the hopes that one of them can handle it.
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I am not a liberal in the current political sense, but I can tell you the answer: he's a career politician.
 
#158
#158
VolByBirth said:
Agreed. As if lying/misleading/changing of minds/etc is somehow new to either party.
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Obama was all about change, wasn't he. Changing the way DC works.

I know lying isn't reserved for one side of the aisle, I just want to know if the liberals here really and truly understand that they were suckered into voting for this guy.
 
#159
#159
MG1968 said:
Obama was all about change, wasn't he. Changing the way DC works.

I know lying isn't reserved for one side of the aisle, I just want to know if the liberals here really and truly understand that they were suckered into voting for this guy.
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If you ever voted -- you should feel suckered.
 
#160
#160
KB5252 said:
True, but i would tend to think if they could see how we have let special interest groups become so powerful, which is exactly what they were trying to prevent with religious denominations, they would ask us what the hell we were thinking.
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That's a really good point I hadn't thought of.
 
#162
#162
MG1968 said:
so are you not going to answer my original question?
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I vote on the lesser of two evils. I still back that I voted for Obama and I'm OK with it. You can hypothesize that what McCain "said" he was going to do was much better -- but then you'd be saying McCain is the only honest politician. So we can argue the unknown all we want -- but it would be fruitless.

You also act as though change is a new platform. Nothing is new in politics -- you take it for what it's worth.

So in the end, I don't feel suckered because I don't blindly follow political rhetoric. I chose who I chose, and I'm still OK with it - -even if I don't agree with all of his decisions.
 
#163
#163
my original question was if any liberals on here are concerned about Obama's lack of concern about his "sunshine before signing" promise and why it took four days to sign the stimulus bill after it was rammed through Congress before anybody had had a chance to read it.
 
#164
#164
MG1968 said:
Obama was all about change, wasn't he. Changing the way DC works.

I know lying isn't reserved for one side of the aisle, I just want to know if the liberals here really and truly understand that they were suckered into voting for this guy.
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Do you honestly think they would admit it?
 
#166
#166
MG1968 said:
my original question was if any liberals on here are concerned about Obama's lack of concern about his "sunshine before signing" promise and why it took four days to sign the stimulus bill after it was rammed through Congress before anybody had had a chance to read it.
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Sure -- I don't know one person in America that would be happy about a politician going back on their word or jamming something through because it would aid in getting it voted in -- but please don't act as though this is a surprise in any political realm (or either party). It's politics -- plain and simple.

However, I haven't quite used this one occurrence to be the marker of his presidency so I'm not willing to condemn him just yet.
 
#168
#168
MG1968 said:
my original question was if any liberals on here are concerned about Obama's lack of concern about his "sunshine before signing" promise and why it took four days to sign the stimulus bill after it was rammed through Congress before anybody had had a chance to read it.
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The bill was available online to read for anybody that wanted to, although not searchable. That is the concerning part to me. However, if nobody had a chance to read it, then nobody knew what they were voting for...AND...nobody knew what they were voting against. Enough was known about it to form an opinion and make a vote....unless of course votes were cast blindly along party lines, in which case this whole false outrage your spouting is academic because nobody read it anyway.

I am outraged at the healthcare crap he pushed in it, and the ridiculous earmarks that he promised he would stop. I can get over how long it took him to sign it.
 
#169
#169
gsvol said:
Typical display of your brilliance or dimness as the case may be.

How are things in your end of la la land??
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The weather is Chamber of Commerce and my date tonight is exceptionally attractive.

Can't complain too much.

You?
 
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#174
VolByBirth said:
However, I haven't quite used this one occurrence to be the marker of his presidency so I'm not willing to condemn him just yet.
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Eight broken campaign promises and counting.

1. Make Government Open and Transparent
2. Make it "Impossible" for Congressmen to slip in Pork Barrel Projects
3. Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public (republicans shut out)
4. No more secrecy
5. Public will have 5 days to look at a Bill
6. You'll know what's in it (Republican Senators didn't even know)
7. We will put every pork barrel project online
8. No lobbyists in the admistration.


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#175
#175
lawgator1 said:
The weather is Chamber of Commerce and my date tonight is exceptionally attractive.

Can't complain too much.

You?
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Ah.....You finally admit you live in la la land, who said I was against progress?


Thanks for the offer but I'm already spoken for.
 
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