Legit Question for the More Liberal on Here

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#126
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why is God, or Chrisitanity for that matter, not mentioned once in the constitution? Actually try reading it, it's a pretty secular document.

If we were founded as a Christian nation, one would think that these supposedly religious founding fathers would at least make a passing mention of the Christian God.
 
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#128
rjd970 said:
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why is God, or Chrisitanity for that matter, not mentioned once in the constitution? Actually try reading it, it's a pretty secular document.

If we were founded as a Christian nation, one would think that these supposedly religious founding fathers would at least make a passing mention of the Christian God.
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Why don't you try reading their speeches and letters if you want to know what they thought about these issues. There is no way that you can read their words and not understand that they took a belief in God to be a given and that they were very open about Godly principles being a requirement if our democracy were to survive.

They were right it has been only about 50 years since God was removed from schools setting the stage for the removal of the Ten Commandments and then Nativity scenes. In that time our society has degraded at a horrific rate.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Why don't you try reading their speeches and letters if you want to know what they thought about these issues. There is no way that you can read their words and not understand that they took a belief in God to be a given and that they were very open about Godly principles being a requirement if our democracy were to survive.

They were right it has been only about 50 years since God was removed from schools setting the stage for the removal of the Ten Commandments and then Nativity scenes. In that time our society has degraded at a horrific rate.
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Again, if it was that important, why no mention in the document that they knew everybody would read?

And half the 10 commandments aren't even constitutional.
 
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emainvol said:
I'm pretty indifferent at the moment, I'll get back to you on that near the end of the third quarter.
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As indifferent as you were about Obama's interference in Kenyan politics, on the wrong side, as far as I'm concerned.

You never did get back to me on that.

TennTradition said:
I think that depends on how much "stimulating" is needed....but in general spending is stimulative. If no one spent anything, the economy wouldn't go very far...but spending a lot when a good growth rate is already being achieved isn't going to be all that stimulative - proper long-term investments would make more sense in those cases, wouldn't you say?
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Obama signed the stimulus bill today and the DOW dropped 4% and oil went to minus $35 a barrel.

If we wanted long term investment, maybe we should monetize the Social Security System in order that we be able to fund it in the future when we have less coming in than what we are paying out, without making more loans from the central banking system, increasing the national debt. We could put that in an escrow account.



The Joys of Hyperinflation

Credit isn’t wealth. A lot of people are discovering that the hard way. Welcome to the credit deflation prelude to hyperinflation.

During a credit deflation, things get cheaper. Without lines of credit, people can’t bid things up and prices fall to their “cash on hand” level.

By Gary Gibson
February 17, 2009
Baltimore, Maryland, U.S.A.
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I'll link the above article if anyone expresses interest and isn't capable of looking it up themselves.

ps; there will always be defaults on a certain amount of loans because there are xxx amount of credit out and xxx amount of cash out, therefore it is mathematically impossible for everyone to pay off their loan plus interest.gs
 
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emainvol said:
I didn't say that, but as BPV and I have said, saying that this country was founded on God isn't the most accurate statement.
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"We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!"
John Hancock

One of the main motivators of the American revolution was unfair taxes and monetary policy and here we are now living under an unfair monetary policy and selling future generations out to an overbearing tax system.
 
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gsvol said:
"We recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!"
John Hancock

One of the main motivators of the American revolution was unfair taxes and monetary policy and here we are now living under an unfair monetary policy and selling future generations out to an overbearing tax system.
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Sure, and if you can find yourself an empty continent where you might go try out your every-man-for-himself ideal society, please feel free to set up shop there.

In fact, need boxes?
 
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#134
gsvol said:
As indifferent as you were about Obama's interference in Kenyan politics, on the wrong side, as far as I'm concerned.

You never did get back to me on that.
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Forgot to, had a rough weekend. I posted a quick summary of the MoU in the other thread.
 
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#135
truefan said:
Ridiculous. There is absolutely NO WAY you can make this assessment at this point. At least not an informed one anyway.
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It is absolutely amazing that some people can survive without the ability to observe and make their own decisions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sure, and if you can find yourself an empty continent where you might go try out your every-man-for-himself ideal society, please feel free to set up shop there.

In fact, need boxes?
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Typical display of your brilliance or dimness as the case may be.

How are things in your end of la la land??
 
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#137
rjd970 said:
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why is God, or Chrisitanity for that matter, not mentioned once in the constitution? Actually try reading it, it's a pretty secular document.

If we were founded as a Christian nation, one would think that these supposedly religious founding fathers would at least make a passing mention of the Christian God.
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*Coughs*

Deism!
 
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#138
rjd970 said:
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why is God, or Chrisitanity for that matter, not mentioned once in the constitution? Actually try reading it, it's a pretty secular document.

If we were founded as a Christian nation, one would think that these supposedly religious founding fathers would at least make a passing mention of the Christian God.
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Why does Congress pray before they meet?

Why does it say "In God we trust" in the house of reps chamber right behind where the president and speaker give speeches?
 
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rjd970 said:
If the country was founded on Christian principles, why is God, or Chrisitanity for that matter, not mentioned once in the constitution? Actually try reading it, it's a pretty secular document.

If we were founded as a Christian nation, one would think that these supposedly religious founding fathers would at least make a passing mention of the Christian God.
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What about the mention of those inalienable rights afforded to us by our creator?
 
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KB5252 said:
What about the mention of those inalienable rights afforded to us by our creator?
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Declaration of Independence.

Nowhere in the Constitution...the document that lays the framework for this country...is God or Christianity mentioned.
 
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JZVOL said:
Why does Congress pray before they meet?

Why does it say "In God we trust" in the house of reps chamber right behind where the president and speaker give speeches?
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They pray because they want to. The founding fathers never declared it a requirement. And who says the God of "In God we trust" is specifically the Christian one?
 
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rjd970 said:
They pray because they want to. The founding fathers never declared it a requirement. And who says the God of "In God we trust" is specifically the Christian one?
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Don't recall ever reading about any of our founding fathers owning Islamic prayer rugs. :eek:k:
 
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rjd970 said:
Declaration of Independence.

Nowhere in the Constitution...the document that lays the framework for this country...is God or Christianity mentioned.
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Many of these same men who crafted the Constitution were also involved in the Declaration. I have no dog in this hunt really. There are many reasons why God was not mentioned in our Constitution. The most important was to keep this country from setting up one state religion. It was intended for there to be a wall set up between church and government, that one could not dictate to the other or influence the others policy.
 
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rjd970 said:
They pray because they want to. The founding fathers never declared it a requirement. And who says the God of "In God we trust" is specifically the Christian one?
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I didn't say it was specifically Christian. I'm pointing out trying to disassociate God (mainly Christian God) from American politics and the country's beginnings is not accurate.

If Congress prays to God in a government building for guidance in government matters at the beginning of their meetings is that not a mix of religion and politics?

In fact it means to an extent our elected leaders have allowed God (as you said voluntarily) to influence their decisions and in turn influenced your life.
 
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KB5252 said:
The most important was to keep this country from setting up one state religion. It was intended for there to be a wall set up between church and government, that one could not dictate to the other or influence the others policy.
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Savage and JZ need to realize this. At a minimum, they seem like Christianity should be afforded special rights.

However, my point still stands. If the Christian God, or any religious principles, was supposed to part of governance in this country, they would have mentioned the concept in the constitution.
 
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JZVOL said:
I didn't say it was specifically Christian. I'm pointing out trying to disassociate God (mainly Christian God) from American politics and the country's beginnings is not accurate.

If Congress prays to God in a government building for guidance in government matters at the beginning of their meetings is that not a mix of religion and politics?

In fact it means to an extent our elected leaders have allowed God (as you said voluntarily) to influence their decisions and in turn influenced your life.
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All I am saying is the founding fathers did not want matters of religion and government intruding on each other. Anyone has the liberty to believe what they want. If congress wants to pray before a session, then fine. If kids want to pray before school, then fine. But as soon as one intrudes on the other it goes against everything the founding fathers wanted to base this system of government on.
 
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rjd970 said:
Savage and JZ need to realize this. At a minimum, they seem like Christianity should be afforded special rights.

However, my point still stands. If the Christian God, or any religious principles, was supposed to part of governance in this country, they would have mentioned the concept in the constitution.
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I understand that thanks. I was a poli sci major in college so I got it.

I've never said Christianity should be afforded special rights. You are putting words in my mouth I did not say.
 
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rjd970 said:
Savage and JZ need to realize this. At a minimum, they seem like Christianity should be afforded special rights.

However, my point still stands. If the Christian God, or any religious principles, was supposed to part of governance in this country, they would have mentioned the concept in the constitution.
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When you tell me I can't put up a nativity scene at the public park my taxes pay to build and maintain. You have violated my rights. You have infringed on my religious beliefs.
 
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