Leonard Fournette Sitting Out Citrus Bowl

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508mikey said:
He had one good season and it was against the terrible PAC 12 defenses how did Toby Gerhart work out in the NFL ? and btw what does imo stand for ? He might go high but he will be a bust imo
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So you're busting the guy's chops because instead of leading the nation in APY with 276ypg he only managed to lead the nation again in APY with only 211.5? And did that with injury issues?

He may well be a bust (actually don't think his primary NFL position will be RB anyway) but damn...let's not pretend the guy hasn't been productive this season. In fact his rushing ypc and td's actually increased over last year.
 
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bigdaddy said:
I'm willing to bet he goes first round barring injury to come or undisclosed
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He's a "good value" type. Teams will bet on being able to pick him up second day...if he has no longterm injuries.
 
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butchna said:
He's a "good value" type. Teams will bet on being able to pick him up second day...if he has no longterm injuries.
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Still say he's a first round guy. And if he wants to sit out an exhibition game somhes not banged up for the combine so be it.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Still say he's a first round guy. And if he wants to sit out an exhibition game somhes not banged up for the combine so be it.
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I said 3rd or lower BEFORE this. First round running backs lately have a different dynamic to them. He very well might end up a better player than Melvin Gordon...but they'll play the chess game and get that value later.
 
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05_never_again said:
You're right, that was UNC, not A&M.

He did have a lot of nagging injuries, including not playing the Kentucky game because of a rib muscle strain. His best game that year might have been against us. Didn't play against Coastal Carolina because of the bone spur problem you mentioned.
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I wasn't saying you were wrong.haha I only mentioned UNC because my gf wanted to go to their season opener so..... we did. Other then our game and that one I don't really remember much about him from that season.
 
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volfan102455 said:
This will become a trend if universities just let it go. And it will eventually move to the major bowls as well. It is just a likely that a NFL bound player paying in one of playoff games gets hurt.

If a player is that afraid of getting hurt playing the game - not sure they are tough minded enough to play in the NFL.
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Technically players leave a whole season early, heck, LSU has had players leave with 2 years of eligibility left. If a player isn't thinking they might get hurt, I have to think they are not smart enough to get out of bed in the morning. Its a personal decision, whether that is before the season, during the season or after the season. I'm sure Fournette is looking at Beckwith's ACL saying I don't want that to be me.
 
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Bomani jones made a great point.

With the way the RB position is in the NFL, you want to keep as many miles off your body as possible. The miles you put on your body in college will count against you in the pros.
 
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hndog609 said:
So you're busting the guy's chops because instead of leading the nation in APY with 276ypg he only managed to lead the nation again in APY with only 211.5? And did that with injury issues?

He may well be a bust (actually don't think his primary NFL position will be RB anyway) but damn...let's not pretend the guy hasn't been productive this season. In fact his rushing ypc and td's actually increased over last year.
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I dont think he will be a RB either -- I could see him as a Wes Welker type receiver with the right team, coach and QB
 
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I find him well reasoned even when I don't agree. Catch his radio show most nights driving home from work.
 
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Coug said:
The guy has been milking the same alleged injury ALL season, yet this same nagging injury conveniently doesn't require surgery. If you don't see through the obvious BS I literally can't help you. If you actually read my last post you'd have seen where I said he didn't actually have to play in the bowl game but making a public statement about it doesn't help anything.
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What kind of surgery is done for a high ankle sprain? :unsure:
 
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volfan102455 said:
It has nothing to do with which bowl - it is the idea of a player being one of 11 out there on the field giving their all for the team .... verses the "it is all about me mentality".
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Coaches are in it for themselves, why can't players be?

Did you rip Herman a new one for leaving Houston for Texas and not coaching their bowl game?
 
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VolNExile said:
What kind of surgery is done for a high ankle sprain? :unsure:
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Not sure its been fully disclosed the extent of his injuries, he has had multiple injuries before the season as he was in a walking boot before the season started. He clearly shouldn't have played against Florida and probably against Ole Miss even though he had 200+ yards.

https://www.seccountry.com/lsu/source-lsu-rb-leonard-fournettes-ankle-injury-a-chronic-problem

Whether he can technically play or not seems pretty silly at this point, he probably could. Doesn't mean he should.
 
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The main argument against going to a full fledged playoff system was that it would render the bowls meaningless. Welp...

Every time a coach leaves a school before the end of his contract, isn't he "quitting on the team", letting down all the players he recruited in the process. No one has an issue with coaches putting their career ahead of team.

The argument against paying players is that they are amateur student athletes and if they don't think a degree is "enough pay" they don't have to play...Welp...

If Barnett, Dobbs, Kamara all said no to the bowl game, I'd have no issue with it. I'm glad they have decided to play for selfish fan reasons, but it's up to them as far as I'm concerned.
 
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vol66 said:
The main argument against going to a full fledged playoff system was that it would render the bowls meaningless. Welp...

Every time a coach leaves a school before the end of his contract, isn't he "quitting on the team", letting down all the players he recruited in the process. No one has an issue with coaches putting their career ahead of team.

The argument against paying players is that they are amateur student athletes and if they don't think a degree is "enough pay" they don't have to play...Welp...

If Barnett, Dobbs, Kamara all said no to the bowl game, I'd have no issue with it. I'm glad they have decided to play for selfish fan reasons, but it's up to them as far as I'm concerned.
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Dobbs needs a Bowl game to help him get drafted......so does Sutton :)
 
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This move is a change in the culture among the kids playing the game, for better or worse.

A common argument that gets trotted out this time of year is "There are too many bowl games. They are money grabs/exhibitions and I understand why a kid projected to be drafted early wouldn't play."

Well, that argument doesn't really hold much water regarding McCaffrey sitting out the Sun Bowl. The Sun Bowl has been played since 1935 and has never been a particularly important bowl game. To my knowledge it has never decided a national champion or even involved any very highly-ranked teams. Also to my knowledge, a superstar player has never sat out one of these games for the explicit reason of getting ready to turn pro (I suppose many guys haven't played before for that very reason but another reason was given instead).

It's also interesting how polarizing the decision is - seemingly you either have to think he's a quitter for not playing or a hero for thinking about his own future and sticking it to the NCAA. The "should players be paid?" argument has political overtones, so I suppose that is the reason for the polarization, but I have a moderate position on this move by McCaffrey/Fournette it seems to be a lonely place.

I do agree with the notion that if coaches leaving schools before bowl games to take another job doesn't bother you, then a player doing it shouldn't bother you either.
 
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