Let's be honest about the GOP position on health care....

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lawgator1 said:
What does that mean -- "opens the door"? This is the typical scare rhetoric of the GOP on this issue. Its socialism! Its opens the door to communism!! Oh, no!

It does nothing of the sort. It mandates a broader base of coverage. No one is going to go without health care they otherwise would have had because of the bill. The cost savings is unknwon, admittedly, but we DO know that the current regime was unsustainable.

The GOP leadership claim they worry about the economic effects of the bill, but they would utterly ignore the continued downard spiral of the economic condition caused by annual 25 % increases in health insurance costs to employers and particularly small employers.
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Come back in two years and tell me that you are still covering 100% of your employees like you are now. Does the number 44.6 mean anything to you?
 
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T-TownVol said:
Come back in two years and tell me that you are still covering 100% of your employees like you are now. Does the number 44.6 mean anything to you?
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Just hoping that increase in premiums we pay will not continue to double every three years, like it has been for the last decade
 
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lawgator1 said:
If you could lay the increases that will have to occur to pay down the deficit at the feet of the Democrats, I'd be on board. But you can't.
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With out this healthcare going through, the rate would not be going up. The increase is specifically tied to this bill. You are deflecting.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, today is not about the bill. Its about the GOP's fear mongering losing out to reasoned policy discussion. This is a great victory for reason over rhetoric, for intelligence over mindless fear, for progress over failing status quo.
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Yep. Giving free healthcare to over thirty million people in the middle of an economic slump is nothing to be concerned about. These bastards just want Obama to fail.
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kptvol said:
Yep. Giving free healthcare to over thirty million people in the middle of an economic slump is nothing to be concerned about. These bastards just want Obama to fail.
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Don't you get it? They will get the medical care anyway, its just a question of whether it can be done more efficiently, which is what the bill is about.
 
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lawgator1 said:
See what I mean? The opposition to the bill is 90 % political gamesmanship and 10 % real policy dispute.

The GOP should be ashamed of themselves for so brazenly yet again placing their own political ambition above the critical needs of the country.
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Both sides are playing political gamesmanship.

Dems just say republicans are racist and don't care for the poor.

So don't play the gamesmanship card.
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lawgator1 said:
Don't you get it? They will get the medical care anyway, its just a question of whether it can be done more efficiently, which is what the bill is about.
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And there is, of course, no reason to doubt government efficiency.
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T-TownVol said:
I said it is "tied" to the bill. You are an attorney?
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LOL, okay. You said "tied." If you think that increases in personal income tax are just because of expanded medical care insurance coverage, you are just delusional.

I do think there will have to be some tax increases as we move forward to deal with the deficit, but the relatively small increase in the defiicit caused by this bill -- even if you assume all of what the GOP says is true -- would hardly be a drop in the bucket.
 
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lawgator1 said:
See what I mean? The opposition to the bill is 90 % political gamesmanship and 10 % real policy dispute.

The GOP should be ashamed of themselves for so brazenly yet again placing their own political ambition above the critical needs of the country.
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But the majority of Americans don't see this as a "critical need". :no:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But the majority of Americans don't see this as a "critical need". :no:
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I would disagree. $34 million without insurance is a huge deal... obama campaigned on healthcare (vague or not) and won going away... i'd say it's a big deal to a lot/ the majority of the people
 
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lawgator1 said:
LOL, okay. You said "tied." If you think that increases in personal income tax are just because of expanded medical care insurance coverage, you are just delisional.

I do think there will have to be some tax increases as we move forward to deal with the deficit, but the relatively small increase in the defiicit caused by this bill -- even if you assume all of what the GOP says is true -- would hardly be a drop in the bucket.
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44% taxes is pretty crazy. No clue if that will ever happen obviously.
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lawgator1 said:
What does that mean -- "opens the door"? This is the typical scare rhetoric of the GOP on this issue. Its socialism! Its opens the door to communism!! Oh, no!

It does nothing of the sort.
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Medicare opened the door for this... :unsure:

It may not be immediate, but it will come down the road, eventually.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
But the majority of Americans don't see this as a "critical need". :no:
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I disagree. I think pretty much everyone understands the crossroads at which we find ourselves. They may have a different priority, but I don't know a soul who thinks the current system is okay or will mend itself.

Anyone who thinks that is simply a complete moron.
 
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lawgator1 said:
LOL, okay. You said "tied." If you think that increases in personal income tax are just because of expanded medical care insurance coverage, you are just delisional.

I do think there will have to be some tax increases as we move forward to deal with the deficit, but the relatively small increase in the defiicit caused by this bill -- even if you assume all of what the GOP says is true -- would hardly be a drop in the bucket.
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Then BHO is "delusional". He was said that the top bracket going up is a specific way that he will fund the new people to be covered.

Your "drop in the bucket" theory is what is delusional.
The numbers given the CBO to work with are crap.
They assume 3.6% growth every year - no way
They assume 0 inflation over the firts ten years - no damn way
 
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lawgator1 said:
I disagree. I think pretty much everyone understands the crossroads at which we find ourselves. They may have a different priority, but I don't know a soul who thinks the current system is okay or will mend itself.

Anyone who thinks that is simply a complete moron.
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The system would be fine if the government would get the hell out of the way.
 
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#50
lawgator1 said:
I disagree. I think pretty much everyone understands the crossroads at which we find ourselves. They may have a different priority, but I don't know a soul who thinks the current system is okay or will mend itself.

Anyone who thinks that is simply a complete moron.
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The current system is broken... partly due to gov't intrusion. Obama's solution is more gov't involvement???? :crazy:
 
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