Let's be honest about the GOP position on health care....

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thekicker33 said:
I would disagree. $34 million without insurance is a huge deal... obama campaigned on healthcare (vague or not) and won going away... i'd say it's a big deal to a lot/ the majority of the people
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He campaigned on not bein GWB.
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#52
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thekicker33 said:
I would disagree. $34 million without insurance is a huge deal... obama campaigned on healthcare (vague or not) and won going away... i'd say it's a big deal to a lot/ the majority of the people
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34 million out of 300 million is a majority???
 
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#54
T-TownVol said:
Then BHO is "delusional". He was said that the top bracket going up is a specific way that he will fund the new people to be covered.

Your "drop in the bucket" theory is what is delusional.
The numbers given the CBO to work with are crap.
They assume 3.6% growth every year - no way
They assume 0 inflation over the firts ten years - no damn way
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And ergo if you believe the GOP's claimed worst case scenario its $500 billion over ten years. If you think that is particularly meaningful relative to everything else you just don't understand the size of the problem going into this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And ergo if you believe the GOP's claimed worst case scenario its $500 billion over ten years. If you think that is particularly meaningful relative to everything else you just don't understand the size of the problem going into this.
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the first ten years, where all the tax increases are front loaded
the CBO issued a statement with the report stating that the report is meaningless with the information that the Dems provided
no way in hell this thing saves any money and much more likely that is blows up just like all other government entitlements
 
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tvolsfan said:
Awesome comeback which has nothing to do with anything. Let's see how Herr Obama does in 2012.
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It has everything to do with it.... IF McCain would've won, then the country would've been going in a different direction. The people of this country voted that way, therefore, Obama is guiding this country the way he sees fit.
Whether you like that or not, that's the truth. Majority rules. And in 2008, people overwhelmingly voted for Obama's way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Again, today is not about the bill. Its about the GOP's fear mongering losing out to reasoned policy discussion. This is a great victory for reason over rhetoric, for intelligence over mindless fear, for progress over failing status quo.
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This is pure silliness.

It is nothing but pure vote buying. All great political scientists have predicted this type of stupidity as the eventual demise of our capitalist democracy.
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lawgator1 said:
The bill does not create a public option, though it expands the universe of covered persons. The debate I've heard on the finances is between a surplus or a deficit add of $500 billion in either direction over ten years. That's $25 billion a year, at worst (or best), depending on your point of view, which is a tiny percentage of the budget.

The real goal here by the GOP has purely been to try to prevent Obama from having a victory, and they've lost that battle now.
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this bill is a stepping stone to single payer healthcare and Democrats have admitted it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
This is pure silliness.

It is nothing but pure vote buying. All great political scientists have predicted this type of stupidity as the eventual demise of our capitalist democracy.
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absolutely right. that's why they are risking it all on a bill the american people don't want. because down the line it guarantees their party votes
 
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#66
golfballs03 said:
this bill is a stepping stone to single payer healthcare and Democrats have admitted it.
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This is the bill that makes it financially infeasible to provide a decent plan then reinforces the the stupidity by making dropping employer provided plans a perfect option. Majority will drop and gov't will be at the helm.
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#67
#67
BigPapaVol said:
This is the bill that makes it financially infeasible to provide a decent plan then reinforces the the stupidity by making dropping employer provided plans a perfect option. Majority will drop and gov't will be at the helm.
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but, but......at least it is SOMETHING!
 
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#69
thekicker33 said:
It has everything to do with it.... IF McCain would've won, then the country would've been going in a different direction. The people of this country voted that way, therefore, Obama is guiding this country the way he sees fit.
Whether you like that or not, that's the truth. Majority rules. And in 2008, people overwhelmingly voted for Obama's way.
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As I said, we'll see what the people think of Obama's way soon.
 
#70
#70
thekicker33 said:
It has everything to do with it.... IF McCain would've won, then the country would've been going in a different direction. The people of this country voted that way, therefore, Obama is guiding this country the way he sees fit.
Whether you like that or not, that's the truth. Majority rules. And in 2008, people overwhelmingly voted for Obama's way.
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Ummm dude's approval rating is about 45%.....
 
#71
#71
MEMO


To: Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, the Tea Partiers, Ann Coulter

From: POTUS



Suck it.
 
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