Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

[milohimself]

hemad.

 

[therealUT]

I offered to agree to disagree but you wanted to make it personal.

You did. If you recall, this was my response:

I don't agree to disagree with persons who are espousing hatred and racism while furthering ignorance.

So :finger3:

As far as I'm concerned you are hellbound, you think that I am diametrically opposed to that but that isn't the truth, I do not wish to stand in your way, on the contrary, I wish you Godspeed. :yes:

This is the very Christian sentiment I knew you would eventually demonstrate.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

This is the very Christian sentiment I knew you would eventually demonstrate.

So, you are saying he is an imperfect Christian?? Were you trying to push for the response he gave you?? It really amazes me that agnostics and atheists alike, like to try and push Christians in a corner, and then see what they do. Well, the Bible clearly states that we are imperfect, and even after we are saved, still need to be reminded of that, because we have many trials and tribulations ahead of us in life, and we will not make the right decisions on every action we take. I think GS's response clearly shows that you can only take so much as a human being, before you lash out in the wrong way. I don't like the fact of what he said to you, but I also know that you were probably trying to get that response as well, since you clearly stated you knew you would eventually get that response from him.

 

[emainvol]

So, you are saying he is an imperfect Christian?? Were you trying to push for the response he gave you?? It really amazes me that agnostics and atheists alike, like to try and push Christians in a corner, and then see what they do. Well, the Bible clearly states that we are imperfect, and even after we are saved, still need to be reminded of that, because we have many trials and tribulations ahead of us in life, and we will not make the right decisions on every action we take. I think GS's response clearly shows that you can only take so much as a human being, before you lash out in the wrong way. I don't like the fact of what he said to you, but I also know that you were probably trying to get that response as well, since you clearly stated you knew you would eventually get that response from him.

Anybody got a shovel?

 

[Tenacious D]

You sh!t and fell back in it, that's what you did.

I offered to agree to disagree but you wanted to make it personal.

So :finger3:

As far as I'm concerned you are hellbound, you think that I am diametrically opposed to that but that isn't the truth, I do not wish to stand in your way, on the contrary, I wish you Godspeed. :yes:

1 Cor 13:13

Start there. Work outward.
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[Tenacious D]

So, you are saying he is an imperfect Christian?? Were you trying to push for the response he gave you?? It really amazes me that agnostics and atheists alike, like to try and push Christians in a corner, and then see what they do. Well, the Bible clearly states that we are imperfect, and even after we are saved, still need to be reminded of that, because we have many trials and tribulations ahead of us in life, and we will not make the right decisions on every action we take. I think GS's response clearly shows that you can only take so much as a human being, before you lash out in the wrong way. I don't like the fact of what he said to you, but I also know that you were probably trying to get that response as well, since you clearly stated you knew you would eventually get that response from him.

Clearly, this is why Christians are too often disdained. Clearly, I've been clear.

The Bible (if you believe it more than mere text) is unwavering in its requirement to turn the other cheek and to forgive. If Christ could handle that while hanging on a cross, surely Christians should be capable of the same on a message board, no?

Do you not see the dichotomy of your words?
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[therealUT]

So, you are saying he is an imperfect Christian?? Were you trying to push for the response he gave you?? It really amazes me that agnostics and atheists alike, like to try and push Christians in a corner, and then see what they do. Well, the Bible clearly states that we are imperfect, and even after we are saved, still need to be reminded of that, because we have many trials and tribulations ahead of us in life, and we will not make the right decisions on every action we take. I think GS's response clearly shows that you can only take so much as a human being, before you lash out in the wrong way. I don't like the fact of what he said to you, but I also know that you were probably trying to get that response as well, since you clearly stated you knew you would eventually get that response from him.

Of course I was trying to get that response.

He wants to portray Christianity as some righteous, loving religion while Islam is a religion of hate. Yet, he eventually stated that he looks forward to seeing me burn in hell and would speed along and help that process if he could.

 

[IPorange]

So, you are saying he is an imperfect Christian?? Were you trying to push for the response he gave you?? It really amazes me that agnostics and atheists alike, like to try and push Christians in a corner, and then see what they do. Well, the Bible clearly states that we are imperfect, and even after we are saved, still need to be reminded of that, because we have many trials and tribulations ahead of us in life, and we will not make the right decisions on every action we take. I think GS's response clearly shows that you can only take so much as a human being, before you lash out in the wrong way. I don't like the fact of what he said to you, but I also know that you were probably trying to get that response as well, since you clearly stated you knew you would eventually get that response from him.

You don't have to push them into a corner to see it. He sounds like a typical Baptist to me.

 

[Tenacious D]

You don't have to push them into a corner to see it. He sounds like a typical Baptist to me.

What house of worship do you believe I attend, if any?

Serious question, curious to know.
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[IBlvNTmWrk]

As far as I'm concerned you are hellbound, you think that I am diametrically opposed to that but that isn't the truth, I do not wish to stand in your way, on the contrary, I wish you Godspeed. :yes:

Of course I was trying to get that response.

He wants to portray Christianity as some righteous, loving religion while Islam is a religion of hate. Yet, he eventually stated that he looks forward to seeing me burn in hell and would speed along and help that process if he could.

Minor details I know... but where do you see that he said what is bolded in your quote above? You seem to be pleased that you were able to make someone angry... congrats. But then you accuse him of saying something he did not say?

 

[IPorange]

What house of worship do you believe I attend, if any?

Serious question, curious to know.
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I have no idea. When people start telling other people they are going to burn in hell and seem to take some joy in that, I associate them with Baptists. That's all.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[Tenacious D]

I have no idea. When people start telling other people they are going to burn in hell and seem to take some joy in that, I associate them with Baptists. That's all.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Rastafarian. The correct answer was Rastifarian.

I would have also accepted Free-Will Mormon.
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[hndog609]

I have no idea. When people start telling other people they are going to burn in hell and seem to take some joy in that, I associate them with Baptists. That's all.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Not wanting to make too much of this but isn't that kind of "association" with what you think (or perceive) of Baptists dangerously close to what you feel others do with Islam?

 

[IPorange]

Not wanting to make too much of this but isn't that kind of "association" with what you think (or perceive) of Baptists dangerously close to what you feel others do with Islam?

You've exposed my game before I could really grow it
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[g8terh8ter_eric]

You don't have to push them into a corner to see it. He sounds like a typical Baptist to me.

You could just say Christian overall. I mean, why pick at a denomination?? Makes no sense, you either have to lump us all in a generalization, or not. I try my best to be more Christ-like everyday, but more often than not, I lose my way in an imperfect world. I also have learned, over the course of the past few years, that not all Muslims want to kill us, and instead choose to not try and convert people by the sword. The Muslims that would kill us, would kill their own kind if they didn't try and covert us or kill us, and honestly that's why a lot of them are coming here. I don't go out and wage religious wars against other people, because I'm not perfect myself, but I'm not going to let someone brow beat me on a daily basis either. What scares me though, and many other Christians, is the fact if there were a Muslim rebellion in this country or an actual real jihad, would the peace loving Muslims become like their radical brethren, and become war mongering radicals like them just to save their own neck??

 

[hndog609]

You've exposed my game before I could really grow it
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My bad.

 

[bamacheats]

As far as I'm concerned you are hellbound, you think that I am diametrically opposed to that but that isn't the truth, I do not wish to stand in your way, on the contrary, I wish you Godspeed. :yes:

So much for that "judge lest you be judged" nonsense.

Hell is a scare tactic, nothing more. FWIW
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[MG1968]

Minor details I know... but where do you see that he said what is bolded in your quote above? You seem to be pleased that you were able to make someone angry... congrats. But then you accuse him of saying something he did not say?

making gsvol angry isn't that hard and he will always be the first to resort to personal attacks.

 

[BeecherVol]

You don't have to push them into a corner to see it. He sounds like a typical Baptist to me.

I have no idea. When people start telling other people they are going to burn in hell and seem to take some joy in that, I associate them with Baptists. That's all.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Serious question. If all these "Baptists" are fools why does it bother you if they mention the costs of not believing?

Not looking for a fight or argument over the matter just curious. Im sure you see a lot of my posts as foolish nonsense on the subject. Of course I do attend a Free Will Baptist church.

 

[therealUT]

As far as I'm concerned you are hellbound, you think that I am diametrically opposed to that but that isn't the truth, I do not wish to stand in your way, on the contrary, I wish you Godspeed. :yes:

Roughly speaking:
- "Stand in your way"="bar"
- "contrary"="opposite"

Minor details I know... but where do you see that he said what is bolded in your quote above? You seem to be pleased that you were able to make someone angry... congrats. But then you accuse him of saying something he did not say?

Antonyms for "bar":

- allow, let, permit, suffer; approve, endorse, sanction; authorize, license, warrant; abet, advance, cultivate, encourage, forward, further, nourish, nurture, promote, support; bid, command, order; abide, bear, brook, countenance, endure, tolerate

Thanks.

 

[IPorange]

Serious question. If all these "Baptists" are fools why does it bother you if they mention the costs of not believing?

Not looking for a fight or argument over the matter just curious. Im sure you see a lot of my posts as foolish nonsense on the subject. Of course I do attend a Free Will Baptist church.

It's not their message, it's their delivery. It's antagonistic.

 

[therealUT]

Serious question. If all these "Baptists" are fools why does it bother you if they mention the costs of not believing?

Not looking for a fight or argument over the matter just curious. Im sure you see a lot of my posts as foolish nonsense on the subject. Of course I do attend a Free Will Baptist church.

I know this is not directed towards me; however, I would like to say a little something.

I have a problem with anyone who believes that virtues and works are insufficient to please an all-mighty creator.

If you had a boss who did not give you good evaluations, even though your work and work ethic were superb, because you were not a "yes-man" and did what you thought was the right thing to do, without worshiping your boss, how would you feel about your boss?

At least we could forgive a human boss, though, because he is supposed to be flawed and, therefore, his jealousy is not a fatal flaw.

God is not supposed to be flawed. God is supposed to be perfect (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent); yet, every major religious myth displays this figure as vain, jealous, and more concerned with flattery than with righteous actions.

When Baptists' officially change their stance concerning salvation from sola fidelis to good works, I will no longer consider most of them fools.

 

[BeecherVol]

It's not their message, it's their delivery. It's antagonistic.

I understand.

There are many who do the message an injustice when trying. Some have the wrong attitude or reason behind it. Im sure I have at times. That particular point is however hard to bring across in a way that doesn't offend, to a degree (which can change with the person you talk to) its to be expected.

 

[BeecherVol]

I know this is not directed towards me; however, I would like to say a little something.

I have a problem with anyone who believes that virtues and works are insufficient to please an all-mighty creator.

If you had a boss who did not give you good evaluations, even though your work and work ethic were superb, because you were not a "yes-man" and did what you thought was the right thing to do, without worshiping your boss, how would you feel about your boss?

At least we could forgive a human boss, though, because he is supposed to be flawed and, therefore, his jealousy is not a fatal flaw.

God is not supposed to be flawed. God is supposed to be perfect (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent); yet, every major religious myth displays this figure as vain, jealous, and more concerned with flattery than with righteous actions.

When Baptists' officially change their stance concerning salvation from sola fidelis to good works, I will no longer consider most of them fools.

We'll continue to vary on beliefs when it comes to this and many other topics along these lines.

 

[MG1968]

I know this is not directed towards me; however, I would like to say a little something.

I have a problem with anyone who believes that virtues and works are insufficient to please an all-mighty creator.

If you had a boss who did not give you good evaluations, even though your work and work ethic were superb, because you were not a "yes-man" and did what you thought was the right thing to do, without worshiping your boss, how would you feel about your boss?

At least we could forgive a human boss, though, because he is supposed to be flawed and, therefore, his jealousy is not a fatal flaw.

God is not supposed to be flawed. God is supposed to be perfect (omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent); yet, every major religious myth displays this figure as vain, jealous, and more concerned with flattery than with righteous actions.

When Baptists' officially change their stance concerning salvation from sola fidelis to good works, I will no longer consider most of them fools.

excellent post.