Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

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#926
fl0at said:
Coincidence, no. Predicable, absolutely. By the very fundamental doctrine of the two religions, they are passive. Not necessarily historically, but most definitely in recent time.

Jesus taught to turn the other cheek, and Christians these days tend to convert by good will and fellowship.

The Jews often don't care if you are Jewish or not. If you are, great. If not, whatever.

The fact that the two groups are passive does not make either belief system true, but it does allow for them to be bullied.
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Bullied, it's a heck of a lot more than just bullying. They are killing people for just a simple belief. Seems like they are scared of something, or at least to me it does.
 
#928
#928
emainvol said:
They are also the two most politically involved religions throughout history, so yeah, **** happens.
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The majority of Christians in the world have no chance to even be politically inclined, since they live in the Third World, where they can be killed much easier. Why should they have to live in secrecy, just for a simple belief??
 
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#929
emainvol said:
So its true because an Australian atheist said it? Awesome.
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What would the guy have to gain out of the article?? Nothing it would seem. Sounds like he sympathizes with them, but he's not one of them, so he doesn't have a thing to gain.
 
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#930
g8terh8ter_eric said:
The majority of Christians in the world have no chance to even be politically inclined, since they live in the Third World, where they can be killed much easier. Why should they have to live in secrecy, just for a simple belief??
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Name me a group with bigger historical political influence than Christians or Jews
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#933
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Bullied, it's a heck of a lot more than just bullying. They are killing people for just a simple belief. Seems like they are scared of something, or at least to me it does.
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Killing is the utmost form of bullying. Forcing someone to not do something is one of the easiest ways to ensure that they do it. Persecution of Christians in Rome arguably led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome.
 
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#934
g8terh8ter_eric said:
What would the guy have to gain out of the article?? Nothing it would seem. Sounds like he sympathizes with them, but he's not one of them, so he doesn't have a thing to gain.
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I am an atheist too. What do I have to gain? I pretty much think they all have a screw loose. I am not saying that Christians have not and are not persecuted, but to claim they are so much worse off than others is just wrong. To claim that it somehow proves that their belief is right is completely misguided
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#935
fl0at said:
Killing is the utmost form of bullying. Forcing someone to not do something is one of the easiest ways to ensure that they do it. Persecution of Christians in Rome arguably led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome.
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No, a Roman General named Constantine, who had a dream of using the cross to help win a battle, led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome. Especially since that general, not too long after that battle, was named Ceasar of Rome.
 
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#936
g8terh8ter_eric said:
No, a Roman General named Constantine, who had a dream of using the cross to help win a battle, led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome. Especially since that general, not too long after that battle, was named Ceasar of Rome.
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And Christianity had not spreed like wildfire through Rome beforehand? Well, then how did Constantine become familiar with the religion?
 
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#938
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#940
#940
emainvol said:
I am an atheist too. What do I have to gain? I pretty much think they all have a screw loose. I am not saying that Christians have not and are not persecuted, but to claim they are so much worse off than others is just wrong. To claim that it somehow proves that their belief is right is completely misguided
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So, name me a group who is worse off than the Christians, as far as the persecution goes??
 
#942
#942
fl0at said:
And Christianity had not spreed like wildfire through Rome beforehand? Well, then how did Constantine become familiar with the religion?
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The only reason Constantine converted to Christianity, was because he won the battle of the Milvian Bridge. If not for that, Christianity may not have become the state religion of the Roman empire.
 
#944
#944
g8terh8ter_eric said:
The only reason Constantine converted to Christianity, was because he won the battle of the Milvian Bridge. If not for that, Christianity may not have become the state religion of the Roman empire.
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Yes, that answer is way more logical than one that goes like this:

Constantine was a very intelligent, shrewd and manipulative individual who knew that Christianity had been working its way through the Roman poor population for a long time. And to ensure his continued rise to power, and placate the masses, he chose to latch on to the belief of the commoner, make the religion legal and thus prevent further swelling of resentment against the Roman wealthy.

Of course the above couldn't have happened, because, ya know, he had Jesus in his heart.
 
#945
#945
You seem to be overlooking a little thing called the holocaust, Eric. Not to mention the crusades. If you want to talk numbers, you'd have a very hard time proving your "theory."

And as emain, points out, persecution of the jews has been in place for thousands of years. They've been killed, enslaved, conquered ect. ect.

But that aside, what point are you trying to make here? It seems like a petty "everybody hates me because I'm <fill in the blank> argument.
 
#948
#948
fl0at said:
Yes, that answer is way more logical than one that goes like this:

Constantine was a very intelligent, shrewd and manipulative individual who knew that Christianity had been working its way through the Roman poor population for a long time. And to ensure his continued rise to power, and placate the masses, he chose to latch on to the belief of the commoner, make the religion legal and thus prevent further swelling of resentment against the Roman wealthy.

Of course the above couldn't have happened, because, ya know, he had Jesus in his heart.
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Constantine may or may not have been a Christian himself, so say yes and some say no, but the reason he accepted Christianity was to further his empire, and nothing more. The more men he had, the more powerful he was. Constantine had his son killed, and his second wife, so I'm not sure the man was a real Christian.
 
#949
#949
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Constantine may or may not have been a Christian himself, so say yes and some say no, but the reason he accepted Christianity was to further his empire, and nothing more. The more men he had, the more powerful he was. Constantine had his son killed, and his second wife, so I'm not sure the man was a real Christian.
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Exactly my point, which returns me to: Persecution of Christians in Rome arguably led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome.

Without prior persecution, poorer populations wouldn't have seen it as attacks by the ruling wealthy class against them, and would not have further bought into the principals of Christianity: equality and wealth in an afterlife.

Therefore, continued persecution continued to alienate the poor from the wealthy and ruling class, which led to the eventual necessity of Edict of Milan.

Simply put: persecution fueled the spreed of Christianity; Constantine merely made it legal.
 
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