Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

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#951
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Christians are still killed today, just for their belief in Jesus being the Son of Man. Why is it that Christians are pretty much the only persecuted group of believers in their God, versus everyone else?? I'm not talking about politically correct persecution, I'm talking about cutting off your head persecution.
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Wow. Quite possibly the most arrogant (yet hysterical) post I've seen on Volnation in a long, long time. I believe the Jewish people might have a differing opinion about your thoughts on the exclusive nature of religious persecution with respect to Christians.
 
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#952
fl0at said:
Exactly my point, which returns me to: Persecution of Christians in Rome arguably led to the expansion of Christianity in Rome.

Without prior persecution, poorer populations wouldn't have seen it as attacks by the ruling wealthy class against them, and would not have further bought into the principals of Christianity: equality and wealth in an afterlife.

Therefore, continued persecution continued to alienate the poor from the wealthy and ruling class, which led to the eventual necessity of Edict of Milan.

Simply put: persecution fueled the spreed of Christianity; Constantine merely made it legal.
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However it did go, I think we can both agree that it's a good thing that he did what he did for the Christians, even if it was personally and politically motivated for him to do so.
 
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#953
g8terh8ter_eric said:
However it did go, I think we can both agree that it's a good thing that he did what he did for the Christians, even if it was personally and politically motivated for him to do so.
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Can agree with that, no group of people should be denied their beliefs.
 
#954
#954
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Christians are still killed today, just for their belief in Jesus being the Son of Man. Why is it that Christians are pretty much the only persecuted group of believers in their God, versus everyone else?? I'm not talking about politically correct persecution, I'm talking about cutting off your head persecution.
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Get a clue, man.
 
#957
#957
g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm talking post-Jesus. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that.
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Get a clue. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. Post-Jesus, Jesus' followers have been the most constant persecutors of groups.

The New World, the indigenous beliefs of anywhere they went actually, towards sects of their own faith, towards Jews (not talking about Hitler), towards different races, you name it. You now playing a card like the dominant religion of the past 2000 years is the victim and the little guy is utter horse ****.
 
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#958
Sabanocchio said:
You seem to be overlooking a little thing called the holocaust, Eric. Not to mention the crusades. If you want to talk numbers, you'd have a very hard time proving your "theory."

And as emain, points out, persecution of the jews has been in place for thousands of years. They've been killed, enslaved, conquered ect. ect.

But that aside, what point are you trying to make here? It seems like a petty "everybody hates me because I'm <fill in the blank> argument.
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Do some research on the Orthodox Christian Holocaust. It dwarfs the Jewish Holocaust of WW2.
 
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IPorange said:
Get a clue. I'm sorry I didn't clarify that. Post-Jesus, Jesus' followers have been the most constant persecutors of groups.

The New World, the indigenous beliefs of anywhere they went actually, towards sects of their own faith, towards Jews (not talking about Hitler), towards different races, you name it. You now playing a card like the dominant religion of the past 2000 years is the victim and the little guy is utter horse ****.
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Like I posted for Sab, do some research on the Orthodox Christian Holocaust. By the way, there isn't a reason to be getting this upset by talking about this, even if you do disagree.
 
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#960
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do some research on the Orthodox Christian Holocaust. It dwarfs the Jewish Holocaust of WW2.
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Most of the numbers for that count about 20 million Ukrainians and other victims of the Communist regime in Russia. Problem with that is that the Soviets killed people indiscriminately. Hell, at one point they decided to start purging the population of people they believed to own gold. After WW2 they started sending Soviet soldiers to the gulag and either working them to a state of near death or killing them there. Their crime? They had seen the world outside the Soviet Union. They also persecuted the **** out of Jews.
 
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#961
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do some research on the Orthodox Christian Holocaust. It dwarfs the Jewish Holocaust of WW2.
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Dwarfs as gross numbers or dwarfs as a percentage?

Given: there are 100 people who believe in darkness and 10 people who believe Horace never existed.

I kill 10 followers of darkness and 5 followers of pseudo-Horace. Which group have I persecuted more?
 
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#962
Eric, what are you trying to prove with the persecution debate?

10,000 Christians could die tomorrow and it would still say nothing about the validity of Christian beliefs.
 
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#963
rjd970 said:
Eric, what are you trying to prove with the persecution debate?

10,000 Christians could die tomorrow and it would still say nothing about the validity of Christian beliefs.
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Yet, there is nothing dangerous about the Christian doctrine, according to most, so why would they need to be killed for those beliefs?? It may or may not prove anything, but it's funny how bad others want to shut up the Christians, especially in parts of the world that aren't the US, and even here people want to shut us up to a degree, and we aren't even close to a violent religion. Instead, they will give into the prayer rituals of a Muslim, and instead shout separation of church and state to a Christian. So, whose God are people scared of really??
 
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#964
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yet, there is nothing dangerous about the Christian doctrine, according to most, so why would they need to be killed for those beliefs?? It may or may not prove anything, but it's funny how bad others want to shut up the Christians, especially in parts of the world that aren't the US, and even here people want to shut us up to a degree, and we aren't even close to a violent religion. Instead, they will give into the prayer rituals of a Muslim, and instead shout separation of church and state to a Christian. So, whose God are people scared of really??
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Nothing dangerous about Christian doctrine? I wonder how homosexuals feel about that...

Romans 1

Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.

Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death.
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#965
therealUT said:
Nothing dangerous about Christian doctrine? I wonder how homosexuals feel about that...
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Can homosexuality keep the species going?? Is it something you are going to teach your kids is an OK thing to do?? I would say that your answers are both going to be no.
 
#967
#967
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Can homosexuality keep the species going??
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Can protected sex and birth-control keep the species going? Can having sex with a sterile partner keep the species going?

g8terh8ter_eric said:
Is it something you are going to teach your kids is an OK thing to do??
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Yes. If one or all of my children are homosexual, they will no that is perfectly okay with me.

g8terh8ter_eric said:
I would say that your answers are both going to be no.
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Presumption.
 
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#968
utvolpj said:
plenty of hetero couples can't have kids either



definitely not going to teach them it's evil and they are going to hell for it
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I asked a question that only has one answer, not a qualifying question. Sure, some hetero couples can't have kids, yet others can, doesn't really help your argument.

You may not teach them that, because of whatever belief system you have, but are you going to raise them in such a way that promotes homosexuality being an acceptable lifestyle choice for them??
 
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therealUT said:
Can protected sex and birth-control keep the species going? Can having sex with a sterile partner keep the species going?



Yes. If one or all of my children are homosexual, they will no that is perfectly okay with me.



Presumption.
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1. No, but in most hetero marriages, they have children. So, trying to promote the safe sex thing isn't going to help your cause.

2. So, you are openly teaching them in your household both ways, or are you leading them down the path of heterosexual, with the thought process that if they are gay you are OK with it??

3. No, you just tried to turn the questions around on me, and they weren't open-ended questions.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I asked a question that only has one answer, not a qualifying question. Sure, some hetero couples can't have kids, yet others can, doesn't really help your argument.
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actually it does since you're using it as a qualifier for homosexuality being wrong. It's almost as bad as gramps darkness argument

g8terh8ter_eric said:
You may not teach them that, because of whatever belief system you have, but are you going to raise them in such a way that promotes homosexuality being an acceptable lifestyle choice for them??
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if that's what they want then it will be accepted. What I will teach them is to not judge someone on the way they were created. I see you don't agree with that
 
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#972
g8terh8ter_eric said:
1. No, but in most hetero marriages, they have children. So, trying to promote the safe sex thing isn't going to help your cause.
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Plenty of hetero marriages do not produce children. Anyway, how does killing a homosexual promote prosperity of the species?
g8terh8ter_eric said:
2. So, you are openly teaching them in your household both ways, or are you leading them down the path of heterosexual, with the thought process that if they are gay you are OK with it??
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I will teach them that either way is acceptable.
g8terh8ter_eric said:
3. No, you just tried to turn the questions around on me, and they weren't open-ended questions.
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No. Your final statement was pure presumption.
 
#973
#973
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do some research on the Orthodox Christian Holocaust. It dwarfs the Jewish Holocaust of WW2.
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not sure a bunch of people freezing and starving to death because of poverty really compares to the ritual and planned exterminiation of a race. but hey it's all the same.
 
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#974
therealUT said:
Plenty of hetero marriages do not produce children. Anyway, how does killing a homosexual promote prosperity of the species?

I will teach them that either way is acceptable.

No. Your final statement was pure presumption.
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You will teach your kids about homosexuality, yet are a heterosexual make yourself?? Don't you see how silly that sounds?? I'm not talking about teaching them tolerance towards it and for it, I'm talking about leading them down that path, if you saw it fit. My best guess is, your not going to teach them anything about homosexuality, instead they will either discover it for themselves, or hide it from you, like most homosexuals do from their parents.
 
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#975
g8terh8ter_eric said:
You will teach your kids about homosexuality, yet are a heterosexual make yourself?? Don't you see how silly that sounds?? I'm not talking about teaching them tolerance towards it and for it, I'm talking about leading them down that path, if you saw it fit. My best guess is, your not going to teach them anything about homosexuality, instead they will either discover it for themselves, or hide it from you, like most homosexuals do from their parents.
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how does one lead their children down the path of homosexuality? tell him to blow his classmate or something?
 
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