Let's compare Jesus and Muhammed (and debate homosexuality) (and Tombstone).

[gsvol]

It's the whole 'need a mediator between one and God' thing. Catholicism dictates confession to a preist as a go between whereas most Protestants believe in a direct personal relationship with God. Help me out TRUT, there's a term for their belief..'trans' something.

Besides Catholic and Protestant there are several other denominations that are neither.

Baptists don't consider themselves to be Protestant, having never been part of the Catholic church, much of their doctrine came down through the Armenian Church.

What about paying for forgiveness?

What about praying for forgiveness??

Seems there must be some degree of contrition and humility, qualities some here obviously sorely lack.

You being in denial doesn't make something patently false.
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His two claims are both false, any way you want to cut it.

If you add up the number of dead that occurred during the recent Balkan conflict, ie Serbians, Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians (who are mostly Serbs who were converted by force during the Ottoman occupation) Montenegrans, Albanians (Albania not even being part of the cobbled together Yugoslav nation) and others, you still don't come up with hundreds of thousands dead.

BTW, the Serbians suffered more killed than any other group and if you go back just a little over a half century ago you will find that hundreds of thousands of Serbians were killed by islamo/fascists.

And who was ethnically cleansed from Kosovo the heartland of Serbia??

Jews, Roma and Christian Serbians, and to put the icing on the cake, over 200 Churches and Monestairies, some over 700 years old, have been destroyed as if they never existed, just as The Christian Assyrian churces were erased from the Arabian penensula and the Tigris Euphrates valleys early on in the advance of islam.

Not to mention the many agressive genocides that were committed by moslems in the past century alone.

If there is any denial then you have more than your share, not only about this but about several things.

Way back in the thread somewhere he made a big deal of the Hebrews killing most of an Assyrian army that was attempting to conquer Israel, comparing that to early islamic activity.

What about nearly a million (880,000 +/-) Assyrian Christians who weren't even armed early in the 20th century, killed in the name of purifying the community for the sake of islam?

Nothing has been better for the World than Christianity, even with the flaws and errors.

Nothing has been a greater scourge on humanity than islam and the teachings of the flase prophet muhammed that Jesus warned us of and there is no greater threat to civilization today than moslems who adhere to the teachings of that false prophet.

 

[KiffinKiller]

Besides Catholic and Protestant there are several other denominations that are neither.

Baptists don't consider themselves to be Protestant, having never been part of the Catholic church, much of their doctrine came down through the Armenian Church.





What about praying for forgiveness??

Seems there must be some degree of contrition and humility, qualities some here obviously sorely lack.






His two claims are both false, any way you want to cut it.

If you add up the number of dead that occurred during the recent Balkan conflict, ie Serbians, Slovenians, Croatians, Bosnians (who are mostly Serbs who were converted by force during the Ottoman occupation) Montenegrans, Albanians (Albania not even being part of the cobbled together Yugoslav nation) and others, you still don't come up with hundreds of thousands dead.

BTW, the Serbians suffered more killed than any other group and if you go back just a little over a half century ago you will find that hundreds of thousands of Serbians were killed by islamo/fascists.

And who was ethnically cleansed from Kosovo the heartland of Serbia??

Jews, Roma and Christian Serbians, and to put the icing on the cake, over 200 Churches and Monestairies, some over 700 years old, have been destroyed as if they never existed, just as The Christian Assyrian churces were erased from the Arabian penensula and the Tigris Euphrates valleys early on in the advance of islam.

Not to mention the many agressive genocides that were committed by moslems in the past century alone.

If there is any denial then you have more than your share, not only about this but about several things.

Way back in the thread somewhere he made a big deal of the Hebrews killing most of an Assyrian army that was attempting to conquer Israel, comparing that to early islamic activity.

What about nearly a million (880,000 +/-) Assyrian Christians who weren't even armed early in the 20th century, killed in the name of purifying the community for the sake of islam?

Nothing has been better for the World than Christianity, even with the flaws and errors.

Nothing has been a greater scourge on humanity than islam and the teachings of the flase prophet muhammed that Jesus warned us of and there is no greater threat to civilization today than moslems who adhere to the teachings of that false prophet.

So no medical, scientific, social, etc...advancements were as beneficial for the world? I smell bias.

 

[droski]

Besides Catholic and Protestant there are several other denominations that are neither.

Baptists don't consider themselves to be Protestant, having never been part of the Catholic church, much of their doctrine came down through the Armenian Church.

which came from the catholic church. . .

 

[JayVols]

Please explain your understanding the the "veneration of Mary". Many persons view this as somehow placing Mary on the level of God and somehow believe that she has the ability to forgive sins, judge, etc. She does not. She is simply, according to Catholic Dogma, the very highest Mediatrix. Catholics are in no way required to ever pray through (note, they never pray to) Mary.

The point regarding having more than one book as doctrine is ridiculous. The Catechism is based directly off of the interpretation of the scriptures and every last regulation is chalk full of scripture citations. It is simply an annal of Biblical texts, which provides a quick and easy reference regarding rules and regulations that are espoused throughout the Old and New Testaments.

Venal sins v. Mortal Sins. Venal sins are those sins in which one commits basically through negligence, ignorance, and omission (this is a very simple breakdown). Mortal sins are sins that are deliberate and committed with an understanding, by the individual, that they are committing a sin. Venal sins are forgiven without any penance; mortal sins require some kind of penance by the sinner, whether that occurs here on Earth or in Purgatory. I am not sure why you take umbrage with this distinction.

The Pope has a direct link to God? Maybe you should write the Vatican and let them know that.

Didn't Jesus give his apostles with the ability to bind and loose sins?

I used to believe that Mary held near God status and Catholics prayed to her. I talked with a priest about this. He gave a reasonable explanation. He said that they ask Mary to intercede for them. I questioned the basis of this. He said that it was Mary that asked Jesus to intercede for the 1st time by turning water into wine at the wedding supper. It made more sense to me after that. I still am not Catholic, but I came to understand the 'why' of the matter.
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[CSVol]

Not quite. In fact, baptisms can be performed by any other Catholic (as, according to the Catechism all Catholics are priests, just not Priests).

I did not know this.

An individual can choose to either confess his sins in solitude and individual prayer or confess them to a Priest. The only sacrament that requires a Priest is the transubstantiation; according to Catholic Doctrine, a Catholic is required to receive the Eucharist at least once a year; non-Catholics and non-Christians are never required to receive the Eucharist and can still attain salvation.

This was the point I was trying, clumsily, to make in my aswer to IP. Most Protestant religions in the US don't need a priest to serve communion and many, e.g. Baptists, don't take communion.

 

[JayVols]

This was the point I was trying, clumsily, to make in my aswer to IP. Most Protestant religions in the US don't need a priest to serve communion and many, e.g. Baptists, don't take communion.

I was raised baptist. We took communion quarterly.
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[milohimself]

the gsvol worldview is imminent!

The Moslem scum must be removed from the White House! Heil the Christstag! Heil the blessed theocracy! The church must dictate to the state!

ISLAM IS THE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH AND THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT MUST BE WIPED OUT IN THE NAME OF THE SANCTITY OF THE CHRISTIANS!

ELIMINATE THE MOSLEMS AT ALL COSTS

 

[BeecherVol]

I was raised baptist. We took communion quarterly.
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This is practiced where I attend as well.

 

[IPorange]

Baptists definitely take communion, just every time they meet like christ's apostles did.
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[VOLatile]

Always curious why those that don't believe are so against those that do.

Always curious why believers are so against those that don't believe in their fairy tales and follow by their "rules."

Let's start with the treatment of homosexuals... and don't give me any of that "love the person, hate the sin" bullcrap.

 

[CSVol]

I remember taking communion at Church of Christ every sunday but not at Baptist chuches. Maybe quartely now that you mention it so I am wrong on that note. I just know it wasn't every service. My bad, it's been a long time. My point about priests and the eucharist still stands. At grandmother's country chuch, plates were passed by guys in new jeans.

 

[therealUT]

I remember taking communion at Church of Christ every sunday but not at Baptist chuches. Maybe quartely now that you mention it so I am wrong on that note. I just know it wasn't every service. My bad, it's been a long time. My point about priests and the eucharist still stands. At grandmother's country chuch, plates were passed by guys in new jeans.

Since the 1960s, Eucharistic Ministers have been laypersons.

 

[Gramps]

The true church is not a building nor a denomination.
It is God’s people, people washed in the blood of Jesus; people whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. This is the true church that Jesus is coming back for, regardless church denomination. They are the true body of believers.

 

[CSVol]

Since the 1960s, Eucharistic Ministers have been laypersons.

Again, I wasn't aware of the role laypersons played in the CC. Since I'm not Catholic, I'll stop talking until I'm better informed.

 

[therealUT]

The true church is not a building nor a denomination.
It is God’s people, people washed in the blood of Jesus; people whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. This is the true church that Jesus is coming back for, regardless church denomination. They are the true body of believers.

What about this guy?

 

[JayVols]

I remember taking communion at Church of Christ every sunday but not at Baptist chuches. Maybe quartely now that you mention it so I am wrong on that note. I just know it wasn't every service. My bad, it's been a long time. My point about priests and the eucharist still stands. At grandmother's country chuch, plates were passed by guys in new jeans.

no problem, man. I now attend a Christian (tied to Church of Christ) church. Our congregation takes communion every Sunday as well.:hi:

 

[OJ]

What about this guy?

Those that are heavy laden come unto me and I will give them rest.

 

[JayVols]

The true church is not a building nor a denomination.
It is God’s people, people washed in the blood of Jesus; people whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. This is the true church that Jesus is coming back for, regardless church denomination. They are the true body of believers.

Good post.:hi:

 

[therealUT]

Those that are heavy laden come unto me and I will give them rest.

Even if he were not Christian, OJ/Gramps?

 

[OJ]

Even if he were not Christian, OJ/Gramps?

I would think so.

 

[Gramps]

Even if he were not Christian, OJ/Gramps?

Yes.

Paul wrote 13 epistles. He was travelling around persecuting Christians at the time of his conversion.

One of the deciples was a zealot, one a tax collector, some were fishermen.
The bible teaches anyone can be saved by the grace of God.

 

[JayVols]

Even if he were not Christian, OJ/Gramps?

I expressed my feelings in my second post on page 106. But I think you already commented on that one. I see that you are wanting to see others' opinions.

Once again,briefly, I feel it would be illogical for a caring God to create people that will never hear his message and will be held accountable for not hearing. If anything, the believers will be held accountable for not 'going forth and spreading the Gospel'. Just my take, my friend.:hi:

 

[Gramps]

I expressed my feelings in my second post on page 106. But I think you already commented on that one. I see that you are wanting to see others' opinions.

Once again,briefly, I feel it would be illogical for a caring God to create people that will never hear his message and will be held accountable for not hearing. If anything, the believers will be held accountable for not 'going forth and spreading the Gospel'. Just my take, my friend.:hi:

I agree.

 

[Gramps]

I never understood the catholic disownment frommany American Protestants. They clearly follow Christ and have a direct line to an apostle. If they say they're Christian, who is to tell them they're not?
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This would be a good subject to discuss, if we can be respecful of others beliefs and discuss this civilly.

This can be a very sensitive subject, but could be a learning experience if handled in correct way.

Thoughts?

 

[therealUT]

This would be a good subject to discuss, if we can be respecful of others beliefs and discuss this civilly.

This can be a very sensitive subject, but could be a learning experience if handled in correct way.

Thoughts?

It would be worth discussing if those in the discussion were well-read in Catholic Canon, Doctrine, and Dogma, as well as various Protestant (and Baptist, since they are apparently not Protestant) Denomination Canon and Doctrine; unfortunately, it seems many who speak against Catholicism and/or wish to separate themselves as far from Catholicism as is possible, simply argue from the point of hearsay and rumor, instead of actually taking issue with what is actual Catholic practice and belief.

It is not as if Catholic Doctrine is somehow cryptic and/or esoteric. It is published and widely available in an easy to use desk-reference style annal.