Lincoln Riley to LSU picking up steam

[golfballs]

Same narrative we heard regarding Mullen at Florida. “School recruits itself!” along with “Saban couldn’t recruit at Mississippi State!” which correlates to Stoops recruiting at Kentucky. LSU has never done well with a lower level recruiter and that hasn’t been tested in over 20 years. Saban begat Miles begat Oregeron…all elite closers. Any slippage and those top guys they used to net every cycle join their other buddies in Tuscaloosa.

They’re not 5-6 this year due to lack of talent

 

[butchna]

They’re not 5-6 this year due to lack of talent

They don’t have the cheat codes from the past 3 seasons…they LACK them. That’s a steady decline in recruiting. Mullen has never been accused of bad X’s and O’s…so can’t be that.

 

[golfballs]

They don’t have the cheat codes from the past 3 seasons…they LACK them. That’s a steady decline in recruiting. Mullen has never been accused of bad X’s and O’s…so can’t be that.

Maybe a combination of factors. I’m not sure Mark Stoops himself is the guy but if they can get someone who will get the most out of all the talent that naturally flows in there they will have sustained success .

 

[VolsSportsFan]

The last 3 coaches have won a national title at LSU. I’d take Stoops over 2 of them.

I think Stoops would last maybe 3 seasons at LSU. I don't think he'd do well at any school with big time expectations.

 

[butchna]

Maybe a combination of factors. I’m not sure Mark Stoops himself is the guy but if they can get someone who will get the most out of all the talent that naturally flows in there they will have sustained success .

Not at the level they seek…imo.

 

[JMSqb11]

You contradict yourself right here. How would Riley crush it at UT in the SEC while failing to keep the standard at OU in the SEC? At OU he has to get 1/3 of the top talent of one state to not only compete but dominate, today. At UT he’d have to recruit the entire southeast and to an extent nationally, to hold serve. There’s ZERO resources we have that OU doesn’t have that would elevate his career here; especially not in 4 years when the SEC money rolls into Norman.

Not at all. OU’s recruiting players for Big 12 style ball. There will be a learning curve for them as they adjust to SEC. The only learning curve for Heupel has been getting SEC caliber players in the program. Riley’s recruiting for OU in the SEC will be vastly different than recruiting in the Big 12. This is not contradicting anything.

It’s why Riley taking over a stocked LSU program isn’t a lateral move than staying at OU that has to transition to SEC ball.

 

[VAVol85]

Trying to wrap my brain around why...OU should be able to counter any offer....Is the LSU job better? No imo...maybe FL...I know we joke on Gainesville but it beats BR and Norman imo....no offense to Okies and Cajuns btw...

Neither UF nor LSU makes sense to me. At this point, both are intra-conference moves from a known and appreciative situation into a unknown and volatile situation. In theory, LSU would make recruiting easier, but Riley doesn’t seem to have trouble getting athletes.

Sounds to me like Riley is angling for a raise.

 

[JMSqb11]

Neither UF nor LSU makes sense to me. At this point, both are intra-conference moves from a known and appreciative situation into a unknown and volatile situation. In theory, LSU would make recruiting easier, but Riley doesn’t seem to have trouble getting athletes.

Sounds to me like Riley is angling for a raise.

Right but it would also be a slam dunk hire for LSU if they somehow landed him. If their top 3 targets said no or got extended, LSU could literally be going after Riley with the blank check offer to see if he’d come. Similar to how Woodward got Jimbo. Only difference is Jimbo was unhappy with FSU. There haven’t been any stories of Riley and OU having issues with each other.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Not at all. OU’s recruiting players for Big 12 style ball. There will be a learning curve for them as they adjust to SEC. The only learning curve for Heupel has been getting SEC caliber players in the program. Riley’s recruiting for OU in the SEC will be vastly different than recruiting in the Big 12. This is not contradicting anything.

It’s why Riley taking over a stocked LSU program isn’t a lateral move than staying at OU that has to transition to SEC ball.

Riley is not going to change his offensive philosophy so he’s going to recruit the same type of guys, skill players and QB’s and hope to outscore you. The SEC resembles the Big 12 today more than it ever has; OM, Bama, UGA and UT are all in the top 11 in scoring offense in the country. Riley’s talent level and scheme will play fine in the SEC today at OU or 5 years from now at OU or LSU; he’s just not going to dominate like record says he does now. It has nothing to do with him. It’s the fact that 5-6 teams on your schedule every year will have comparable talent and the staffs on the other sideline will be just as competent and have just as much cache on the recruiting trail. History would say that you average out to split those tossup games on a yearly basis, which leads to 2+ losses per year. This very board considers Mullen and Kirby overrated/underachievers for going 10-3 to 11-2 every year (minus this year for Mullen); that’s beyond being successful and until Saban is gone it’s the best anyone can hope for.

 

[JMSqb11]

Riley is not going to change his offensive philosophy so he’s going to recruit the same type of guys, skill players and QB’s and hope to outscore you. The SEC resembles the Big 12 today more than it ever has; OM, Bama, UGA and UT are all in the top 11 in scoring offense in the country. Riley’s talent level and scheme will play fine in the SEC today at OU or 5 years from now at OU or LSU; he’s just not going to dominate like record says he does now. It has nothing to do with him. It’s the fact that 5-6 teams on your schedule every year will have comparable talent and the staffs on the other sideline will be just as competent and have just as much cache on the recruiting trail. History would say that you average out to split those tossup games on a yearly basis, which leads to 2+ losses per year. This very board considers Mullen and Kirby overrated/underachievers for going 10-3 to 11-2 every year (minus this year for Mullen); that’s beyond being successful and until Saban is gone it’s the best anyone can hope for.

Riley doesn’t have to change his offense. He will however have to change his S&C and how he recruits. Right now he can recruit half ass and still roll to 11-1/12-0 regular seasons in his sleep. Considering the pipelines he does have in talent rich areas plus existing ones here at Tennessee or at LSU as he’s mentioned there, he has an easier path to keeping his win % up by taking over a SEC program than transitioning OU and it’s roster/recruiting….. LSU is hands down the easier and better job for him compared to staying at OU and doing the transition. This isn’t contradictory at all. Common sense

 

[Jravol78]

LSU is going to end up with somebody like Dave Doeren , who isn’t the worst option but the fans will be up in arms over the hire because the market and expectations don’t align .



I just had a sense of deja vu for some reason , must be the tryptophan.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Riley doesn’t have to change his offense. He will however have to change his S&C and how he recruits. Right now he can recruit half ass and still roll to 11-1/12-0 regular seasons in his sleep. Considering the pipelines he does have in talent rich areas plus existing ones here at Tennessee or at LSU as he’s mentioned there, he has an easier path to keeping his win % up by taking over a SEC program than transitioning OU and it’s roster/recruiting….. LSU is hands down the easier and better job for him compared to staying at OU and doing the transition. This isn’t contradictory at all. Common sense

He doesn’t recruit half ass though, he pulls in top 10 classes (3 in the top 8). Problem is so do 4-5 other teams in the SEC every year. The only advantage he has at LSU is getting homegrown talent to Baton Rouge is like shooting fish in a barrel, it takes little effort. I see his winning % going down even at LSU
because of every reason I’ve said, he now has infinitely more competition every week at LSU than he does for the next 4 years at OU.

 

[VAVol85]

Riley doesn’t have to change his offense. He will however have to change his S&C and how he recruits. Right now he can recruit half ass and still roll to 11-1/12-0 regular seasons in his sleep. Considering the pipelines he does have in talent rich areas plus existing ones here at Tennessee or at LSU as he’s mentioned there, he has an easier path to keeping his win % up by taking over a SEC program than transitioning OU and it’s roster/recruiting….. LSU is hands down the easier and better job for him compared to staying at OU and doing the transition. This isn’t contradictory at all. Common sense

Agree that LSU has recruiting advantages. But Louisiana sports and politics is just a different culture. I would think long and hard before leaving a situation where I am successful, comparably paid, respected, and able to run a relatively scandal-free program.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I think Stoops would last maybe 3 seasons at LSU. I don't think he'd do well at any school with big time expectations.

I think there is an element sometimes where a coach doesn’t know how to manage high level talent guys. Some guys do better coaching up talent. Maybe Stoops would have similar issues.

 

[JMSqb11]

He doesn’t recruit half ass though, he pulls in top 10 classes (3 in the top 8). Problem is so do 4-5 other teams in the SEC every year. The only advantage he has at LSU is getting homegrown talent to Baton Rouge is like shooting fish in a barrel, it takes little effort. I see his winning % going down even at LSU
because of every reason I’ve said, he now has infinitely more competition every week at LSU than he does for the next 4 years at OU.

Those top classes he pulls in are developed for Big 12 ball and not SEC ball and S&C hence why he will have to transition them. Taking over a SEC requires no S&C transition and is more concept and philosophy which is by far the easier of the two to do. Riley at LSU would be more deadly than him staying at OU and transitioning

 

[JMSqb11]

Agree that LSU has recruiting advantages. But Louisiana sports and politics is just a different culture. I would think long and hard before leaving a situation where I am successful, comparably paid, respected, and able to run a relatively scandal-free program.

I mean if I had to pick with no Tennessee bias, the Florida job is better than LSU given the off the field noise like you mentioned.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Those top classes he pulls in are developed for Big 12 ball and not SEC ball and S&C hence why he will have to transition them. Taking over a SEC requires no S&C transition and is more concept and philosophy which is by far the easier of the two to do. Riley at LSU would be more deadly than him staying at OU and transitioning

What is Big 12 football vs. SEC football? This isn’t 2009 where Bama scores 27 and holds teams to 10 or less (UGA is the only one playing that way). There are 9 teams in the SEC, coming into today, averaging over 30 PPG (64%) there are 6 in the Big 12 (60%). There are 4 averaging over 35 PPG in the SEC, the Big 12 has 2. The SEC has 7 teams giving up less than 25 PPG (50%) the Big 12 has 6 (60%). It’s not ball control, play defense vs. air raid, need just one defensive stop anymore.

 

[zjcvols]

LSU is simply proving this:

Everyone has and makes money. It doesn’t matter.

 

[zjcvols]

They won’t do it, but LSU should hire Kendall Briles

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

I just don't see it. Could be wrong. But I think LSU ends up with one of these three...Matt Campbell, Dave Aranda or Mark Stoops

I feel they would take the Napier leap if they dont get Riley and Fischer and then Aranda says no whivh I doubt. I see Mark Stoops being more a possibility for Florida.

 

[zjcvols]

I feel they would take the Napier leap if they dont get Riley and Fischer and then Aranda says no whivh I doubt. I see Mark Stoops being more a possibility for Florida.

Napier to Florida looks like a done deal which surprises me

 

[JMSqb11]

What is Big 12 football vs. SEC football? This isn’t 2009 where Bama scores 27 and holds teams to 10 or less (UGA is the only one playing that way). There are 9 teams in the SEC, coming into today, averaging over 30 PPG (64%) there are 6 in the Big 12 (60%). There are 4 averaging over 35 PPG in the SEC, the Big 12 has 2. The SEC has 7 teams giving up less than 25 PPG (50%) the Big 12 has 6 (60%). It’s not ball control, play defense vs. air raid, need just one defensive stop anymore.

OU’s current roster (that’s full of top recruits) is in no condition to compete with SEC teams week in and out…… that’s a strength and conditioning as well philosophy issue…..

 

[SCRocket]

LSU and Florida have gotten into the bizarre cycle of getting a new coach every 2 or 3 years. They didn’t learn a damn thing from watching our **** show. Ground hog day every year.

 

[AthensVol2007]

OU’s current roster (that’s full of top recruits) is in no condition to compete with SEC teams week in and out…… that’s a strength and conditioning as well philosophy issue…..

So you’re aware of the inner workings of their S&C program? They’re built fine to compete week in and week out and I’d wager would win 9-10 games if in the league this year. The difference is the 2-3 games they play piss poor in the Big 12 they can typically still out-talent the opponent, that won’t happen in the SEC because the top half of the league has that same talent.

 

[Volfan1000]

Trying to wrap my brain around why...OU should be able to counter any offer....Is the LSU job better? No imo...maybe FL...I know we joke on Gainesville but it beats BR and Norman imo....no offense to Okies and Cajuns btw...

You have better recruiting territories in Louisiana and Texas.