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San Diego Vol said:
And, I've never seen a C of C with instruments
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had a friend leave Don because they were starting to get into it.

Woodmont Hills (on Franklin Rd) does from what I understand. If you look on their website they also have many women listed as a minister.

I have a feeling Otter Creek in Bwood might but havent confirmed it
 
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GreveHaller said:
had a friend leave Don because they were starting to get into it.

Woodmont Hills (on Franklin Rd) does from what I understand. If you look on their website they also have many women listed as a minister.

I have a feeling Otter Creek in Bwood might but havent confirmed it
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My mom goes to Woodmont Hills. They dont use musical instruments in worship and do not have women who minister in worship. They may have other roles but not during worship
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Yeah, they are definitely on the liberal side but really enjoy going there when I go home. No stuffiness
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Can understand. We go just down a bit at CH but are considering BH. BH is the slightly looser than CH. More business casual, less ties. (You know which CH and BH are?)
 
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etmccreary said:
No, women cannot be ministers in the coC; bolded section explains why.

1 Timothy 2:9-15
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Yes, thank you. I can understand that one.

The church I grew up in, the ladies always wore dresses on both Sunday morning and Sunday evening. I can remember when the first lady wore pants to a Sunday night service. That caused a major controversy. They wore pants on Wednesday night so I never quite understood that.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
My mom goes to Woodmont Hills. They dont use musical instruments in worship and do not have women who minister in worship. They may have other roles but not during worship
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Isnt Woodmont Hills where Rubel Shelly used to preach. I like some of the resources he wrote. By the way I am the minister at a Christian Church.
 
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GreveHaller said:
Can understand. We go just down a bit at CH but are considering BH. BH is the slightly looser than CH. More business casual, less ties. (You know which CH and BH are?)
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Been to both of those. I grew up in CH, so just down the road from me and BH just a few miles the other way. I definitely liked BH better
 
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missourivol said:
Max Lucado, Jeff Walling, Rick Atchley all minister at CoC's with instruments. and there are more each year. I know of some in Missouri and in northeast Tennessee. I think its an area you go to. It is becoming more prevalent though.

Associated Baptist Press - Some Churches of Christ re-examine tradition of instrument-free worship

This was an article from '03 but it points some things out.
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That's interesting. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I've just never been to a church that does. BTW, my wife and I visited several Christian churches when we were looking for a church. They are similar to C of C in a lot of ways. How long you been preaching?
 
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Situations like instrumentation show how the non-dominational thing is loosey goosey at best. The churches that go with instruments may continue to have CoC on their sign but they are not accepted by other CoC.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
That's interesting. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I've just never been to a church that does. BTW, my wife and I visited several Christian churches when we were looking for a church. They are similar to C of C in a lot of ways. How long you been preaching?
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I have been preaching for 4 years not. 3 years in Missouri and 1 year here in Tennessee. The Christian Church and CoC are mostly alike. The big difference in most churches is the use of instruments. I do not think any church is perfect.

Chairs.wmv - YouTube

Again watch this video. It really is interesting in how much the churches have split in the Restoration Movement over the years. Go read those books that i put down a couple of pages ago. I love researching things like this.
 
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missourivol said:
I have been preaching for 4 years not. 3 years in Missouri and 1 year here in Tennessee. The Christian Church and CoC are mostly alike. The big difference in most churches is the use of instruments. I do not think any church is perfect.

Chairs.wmv - YouTube

Again watch this video. It really is interesting in how much the churches have split in the Restoration Movement over the years. Go read those books that i put down a couple of pages ago. I love researching things like this.
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That was good
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Legalism? Well, I have never heard that term. Has that been around a long time or is something new? That somewhat sums up my thoughts...
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After centuries of Judea being captured and trampled through by invading armies and Jews being exiled here, there, and elsewhere, there was a lot of confusion and contradiction about what God wanted His people to do. So of course, lots of different groups arose, all of whom had different rules that they thought everyone should follow in order to please God. (See all the references to the Pharisees and the Sadducees in the NT.) And as tends to happen among humans, the arguing between all the groups polarized them, and they all became more and more obsessed with their rules, and more and more insistent that only their set of rules must be followed to be correct. (That is legalism.)

Christ's argument with all these different religious authorities was that in their obsession with who had the correct set of rules to follow, they had all lost sight of what God actually wanted people to do: do justice, love kindness, walk humbly with their God; love God with all their hearts, their souls, their strength, and their minds; and love their neighbors as themselves. It wasn't about whether they were supposed to sacrifice a goat versus a sheep, or not rescue a wounded animal on the Sabbath, or use Welch's grape juice vs wine, or (please forgive me) use instruments in worship.

It was about understanding God's love and forgiveness, accepting it in their own lives, and then turning around and sharing that same love and forgiveness with everyone around them. (That's the Beatitudes, and the parable of the Good Samaritan, and all.)

When the customs and teachings of a given denomination help people get closer to God, then IMO they are wonderful. Some people can feel closer to God when incense is used, whereas it just makes me sneeze. But when the teachings cause people to feel excluded and rejected, then (again IMO) they are contrary to God's desire for all humanity to be reconciled to Him.

I am a musician. I sing in a choir, and the music lifts and inspires me, and instruments added to voices make my spirit soar. I've also sung a cappella, and I love it as well, and find it equally inspiring. I don't think that anyone MUST have instruments as part of worship, but I genuinely cannot fathom a loving God, the Creator of the universe, who would say "Nope" to someone who attended a church with a piano or organ or guitar or anything else. That seems completely contrary to everything that I understand about God.

Humans try so desperately to figure out what it is that God wants us to do, and in the process, we tend to create checklists that inevitably wind up excluding people who don't match up with the checklist. I would much rather welcome too many people into God's House than have even one turned away.

JMO :hi:


edit to add: and I humbly apologize if I offended anyone with what I wrote. Just as others have shared their understanding of what God wants from them, I did the same. We are just humans, and we all "see through a glass darkly." We try to comprehend the Incomprehensible, and in the end, it is grace that brings us back home, via whatever path.
 
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